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I guess the BP police jumped on this post before it ever got off the ground. So, just because I don't give a shit about dinging (or whatever it is called), I'm going to back up Taosman a bit here.
Let's face it. Ginn is going to be the best player on the field every game this year, and he was obviously the best player on the field against the Pokes. He's so versatile that he can't be shut down completely in any facet of the game. You kick to him, he rips you for 6. You don't kick to him, you have to punt it 25 yards and give OSU good field position. You double him on offense, you leave Santonio open. He gets a reverse, well, you're fucked. So the fact that he didn't get a chance to go for 6 on any return, and the fact that he was only able to break one real big play all game against the other OSU is a credit to the Cowboys gameplan - because you'll never be able to stop Ginn all game. Impossible.
So what teams will try to do is keep Ginn from making as many huge plays as possible - which means Ginn is going to have a lot of other effects on the game (25 yard punts, Holmes getting more single coverage, paranoid defensive strategy about the reverse). But anything is better than letting the fastest, most explosive player in college football have a walk into the house I guess.
Let's face it. Ginn is going to be the best player on the field every game this year, and he was obviously the best player on the field against the Pokes. He's so versatile that he can't be shut down completely in any facet of the game. You kick to him, he rips you for 6. You don't kick to him, you have to punt it 25 yards and give OSU good field position. You double him on offense, you leave Santonio open. He gets a reverse, well, you're fucked. So the fact that he didn't get a chance to go for 6 on any return, and the fact that he was only able to break one real big play all game against the other OSU is a credit to the Cowboys gameplan - because you'll never be able to stop Ginn all game. Impossible.
So what teams will try to do is keep Ginn from making as many huge plays as possible - which means Ginn is going to have a lot of other effects on the game (25 yard punts, Holmes getting more single coverage, paranoid defensive strategy about the reverse). But anything is better than letting the fastest, most explosive player in college football have a walk into the house I guess.
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I still can't comprehend where you see the great gameplanning...what was the plan? The pooch punts? What? Please show me the gameplan...what you are referring to as planning, I am referring to as a lack of execution. No team chooses to give up field position...the OSU punter shanked a few...even if it was directional punting, he shanked it horribly. What was the defensive scheme designed to stop TG?
Some of you are getting too soft. Something meant to get a reaction is posted...reaction is gained. Then we have to resort to this typical excuse of "BP police?" How about just debating your ideas with some intelligence instead of whining and cracking on the population...
If you need a reference, check the 2002 Class thread...heated debate, no hurt feelings.
Some of you are getting too soft. Something meant to get a reaction is posted...reaction is gained. Then we have to resort to this typical excuse of "BP police?" How about just debating your ideas with some intelligence instead of whining and cracking on the population...
If you need a reference, check the 2002 Class thread...heated debate, no hurt feelings.
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say it with me now. he played QB. im sure he could, but its hard to catch a TD pass while youre the QB.StadiumDorm said:
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The punter shanked a few punts because he was so concerned about punting to TG - being forced to pinpoint your punts will do that to a college punter. Ginn didn't play QB half of the game. Zwick still took at least 3/4 of the snaps, but playing QB, and having a limping QB didn't help TG's stats on offense. I think what Taosman is referring to is that the Pokes did have a spy on Ginn the whole game, that they were intentionally punting away from him, and that even though there are obvious negative effects to such a gameplan, it's better than the alternative. It's not a genius gameplan, in fact, it's quite obvious. But, that's what I would do against TG2, and I think we're going to see a lot more of that in the future. Michigan tried sending Braylon out as a gunner so they wouldn't have to punt away from him, but eventually, as was often the case last year with Teddy, he broke one on that gameplan.
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crazybuckfan40
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I would love it if teams try to take away ginn b/c then Gonzo will beat them just like he did on the first touchdown of the game. Go watch that clip and see that the guy jumped ginn on a 8 yd. stop leaving Gonzo open on the the post corner.
The only way to stop ginn is to not have him on the field, but then teams will probably still be watching for him to run in to the huddle as they might miss him he is so fast.
The only way to stop ginn is to not have him on the field, but then teams will probably still be watching for him to run in to the huddle as they might miss him he is so fast.
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Which is exactly what was said by a number of people...StadiumDorm said:
The original post applauds the gameplanning...I posted that it was not excellent gameplanning but quite common and actually ineffective. A number of others agreed and said so in varying degrees of intensity.
I agree with your assessment...I just dont get the BP Police stuff. That joke is getting old. This thread was not even close to the hazing and piling on that used to occur in a thread like this. Everyone around here has made a noticeable effort concerning that very problem. However now there is so much crying wolf every time someone cannot debate their points or even chooses not to do so....
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rocketman
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Haha, but on a serious note..crazybuckfan40 said:
The only way to stop Ginn is if Ginn is set up in a quick-pitch situation much like the crazy 40 yard gain in the alamo bowl. You gotta stick the goddamn tackle while he's in his 5 yard pocket that he needs to accelerate to light speed. Course, that is, as we've all seen, very difficult. He was like, quadruple covered on that pass, still managed to haul in what I *thought* could have been an overthrown pass (good hands), and then proceeded to do his thing. I think that play is the weakest as far as how effective Ginn is at playing it, but "weak" for Ginn is not getting more than 20 yards a catch, or not taking it to the house.
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StadiumDorm said:
Hey StadiumDork, there's no "police" hear...when someone makes a goofball post, they should expect an appropriate response. Purposely punting the ball out of bounds or totally away from Ginn resulting in a 20-some yard punt is not a "game-plan". And if you "don't give a shit about dinging", why do you have your rep shut off?
Signed, Sheriff Mili
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Big Slick has the greatest idea of all time. It should be implemented immediately.
If it was Okie State's master plan to give up field position, then I doubt Les Miles will last very long at LSU.
I say let teams commit to giving up field position, and let them over cover Ginn. I like the idea of Santonio Holmes and Tony Gonzalez facing single coverage. Might even open up the running game some.
Personally, I think teams would be wiser to take the "one man can't beat us" approach. Think of it like this, when the Bulls were Michael Jordan and nobody else (early in his career), Jordan put up huge numbers, and the Bulls sucked. I'd rather see Ginn held under 100 yards with no punt returns and come out with the W. Of course, Ohio State 2005 won't be the football equivelant to the 1984 Bulls. The rest of the team surely doesnt suck.
If it was Okie State's master plan to give up field position, then I doubt Les Miles will last very long at LSU.
I say let teams commit to giving up field position, and let them over cover Ginn. I like the idea of Santonio Holmes and Tony Gonzalez facing single coverage. Might even open up the running game some.
Personally, I think teams would be wiser to take the "one man can't beat us" approach. Think of it like this, when the Bulls were Michael Jordan and nobody else (early in his career), Jordan put up huge numbers, and the Bulls sucked. I'd rather see Ginn held under 100 yards with no punt returns and come out with the W. Of course, Ohio State 2005 won't be the football equivelant to the 1984 Bulls. The rest of the team surely doesnt suck.
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Taosman said:
Way to pat yourself on the back for being able to get responses to an idiotic post. Are you a "straw that stirs the drink" tibor-wannabe?
By the way, just because everyone responding thinks your "observations" are crack-induced, doesn't mean it's ganging up...it's simply everyone pointing out the painfully obvious.
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Excuse me, could I request that Mili and Grad drop their pants? I need to do my ass kissing.
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Here's to ya Toasman - Proving that you don't have to be jewish to be a schmuck.
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Here's to ya Toasman - Proving that you don't have to be jewish to be a schmuck.
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Yes-- one hell of a gameplan by Okie State. They got their shit cleaned any way you look at it... yeah... so that worked. 
Anyhow.... had they been able to kick away from Ginn... give us better field position and then keep us out of the end zone... then... yeah... that's a "good Gameplan"... but I don't remember it turning out that way.
Anyhow.... had they been able to kick away from Ginn... give us better field position and then keep us out of the end zone... then... yeah... that's a "good Gameplan"... but I don't remember it turning out that way.
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