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WR Ted Ginn, Jr. (Official Thread)

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"Ted started with us about the time we opened," said Robertson, a former strength and conditioning coach with the University of Miami Hurricanes. "It was the end of his freshman year. Ted was running a 4.95 in the 40. His most recent clocking was 4.29, which is unbeliev able." Robertson said he does not know of any high school athlete who has run that fast in the football-oriented sprint. That includes the NFL scouting combine, which allows professional football coaches to look at the college talent pool.
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Reading this, the one thing that this made me think of right away was the interview last night on 20/20 with Victor Conti. That is the types of gains some of the athletes he worked with were getting.

Now, let me say right now, based on what I know about Ginn's physical appearance and personal character, steriod usage is not even remotely a possibility. That is not a question for me. But, there are two things that come to mind in that context.

#1) If his gains mentioned above are ever broadly publicized, and maybe even if they are not, Ginn is one who is so incredibly fast and talented that he will be faced with the steriod question over and over again without a doubt.

#2) If Ginn can get those types of gains legitimately (which is what I truly (maybe too polyannaish) believe), why do others have to resort to steriods? His success shows it is possible with hard work without the roids.
 
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cincibuckeyenut said:
Reading this, the one thing that this made me think of right away was the interview last night on 20/20 with Victor Conti. That is the types of gains some of the athletes he worked with were getting.

Now, let me say right now, based on what I know about Ginn's physical appearance and personal character, steriod usage is not even remotely a possibility. That is not a question for me. But, there are two things that come to mind in that context.

#1) If his gains mentioned above are ever broadly publicized, and maybe even if they are not, Ginn is one who is so incredibly fast and talented that he will be faced with the steriod question over and over again without a doubt.

#2) If Ginn can get those types of gains legitimately (which is what I truly (maybe too polyannaish) believe), why do others have to resort to steriods? His success shows it is possible with hard work without the roids.
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cinci - Lets cast out the 'roid devil right now. One word - Puberty. Two words, Late Bloomer.

The context of that complete story is Ginn Jr. enters HS - he's under-sized @ 120 lb and runs a (not shabby for mere mortals) 5.2 in the 40. End of Freshman year its 4.95 in the 40.
By the time he is near the end of his Senior year his 40 dash is down in the 4.2x range -- oh yes and he weighs (variously reported) 180, 170 or thereabouts.

Here is my take on this - Ginn Jr sounds like a late bloomer, plain and simple. The only hormones he needed to accomplish this increase in body weight, strength and innate physical ability were made by the glands God gave him.
I've seen kids (including relatives) undergo a ridiculous physical transformation just as above within as little as a year. Puberty, it may have freaked you out when it happened to you, seeing it happen in front of your eyes with other young kids - its like the second miracle (first being life itself).

True, a drop from 4.95 near the end of the Freshman HS school year to 4.29 near the end of his Senior HS year is remarkable. However, you get that last growth spurt and then add in all the form and technique and training. Well, I for one can believe this happens sans 'roids.

If Ginn Jr.'s speedy rise happened twixt the ages 22 and 27 then yeah, maybe there is a little more happening than good diet and training. Fact is it happened in his HS years, 'roids are not needed to explain this and he will not be dogged by such suspicions.

Cinci, I'm blaming your speculation about a future shadow over our future best offesnive weapon on the recent spate of Grand Jury revelations emanating from the left coast.
 
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Just to be clear, I was in no way, shape or form speculating that he is on Roids. In fact, I believe the chance he is would be about 0.000001 %

The statement was more to the fact that you do not need roids to accomplish what he has done. You need hard work at the right time in your life. This compared to the message last night on 20/20 from Conti that everyone is doing it and that roids are the only way to get these types of gains.
 
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cincibuckeyenut said:
Just to be clear, I was in no way, shape or form speculating that he is on Roids. In fact, I believe the chance he is would be about 0.000001 %

The statement was more to the fact that you do not need roids to accomplish what he has done. You need hard work at the right time in your life. This compared to the message last night on 20/20 from Conti that everyone is doing it and that roids are the only way to get these types of gains.
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Yep, so its clear where I'm coming from on this cinci. I got that much very clearly from what you first wrote -- My main thrust is that your speculation on Ginn getting tagged, by others, with the 'roid user label merely because of his 4.95 (as a HS Freshman) to 4.29 (HS Senior)- 40-yard dash time, would mean those folks missed the obvious. He had grown, naturally, hence he had more with which to work.

One thing for sure -- Ginn will have a better year next year. It will happen in large part because he will simply get more reps. If he can shave even part of a tenth of a second of his already red-hot speed then watch out!
 
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Teddy Ginn track

this is old news, but i stumbled on it today

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/track/top-boys.htm

110-meter high hurdles (13.22y) - 13.38: Jason Richardson, Cedar Hill (Texas) (No. 6 all-time performer); 13.39: Kevin Craddock, Logan (Union City, Calif.) (No. 7 all-time performer); 13.40: Ted Ginn, Glenville (Cleveland) (equals No. 8 all-time performer).

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/track/2004-allusa-boys.htm

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 width=468 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=notch_header align=middle colSpan=4>Hurdles (110, 300, 400)</TD></TR><TR><TD class=notch_medium width=86>Athlete</TD><TD class=notch_medium width=152>High school, city</TD><TD class=notch_medium width=28>Year</TD><TD class=notch_medium width=173>Performances</TD></TR><TR><TD class=notch_light width=86>Kevin Craddock</TD><TD class=notch_light width=152>Logan, Union City, Calif.</TD><TD class=notch_light width=28>Jr.</TD><TD class=notch_light width=173>13.39 110H, 13.74 110H(42") 35.93 300H, 52.41 400</TD></TR><TR><TD class=notch_white width=86>HSaidu Ezike</TD><TD class=notch_white width=152>Port Richmond, Staten Island, N.Y.</TD><TD class=notch_white width=28>Sr.</TD><TD class=notch_white width=173>13.73 110H</TD></TR><TR><TD class=notch_light width=86>*Ted Ginn</TD><TD class=notch_light width=152>Glenville, Cleveland</TD><TD class=notch_light width=28>Sr. </TD><TD class=notch_light width=173>13.40 110H</TD></TR><TR><TD class=notch_white width=86>Julius Jiles</TD><TD class=notch_white width=152>Central, Kansas City, Mo</TD><TD class=notch_white width=28>Sr.</TD><TD class=notch_white width=173>13.62 110H, 36.74 300H, 52.51 400H</TD></TR><TR><TD class=notch_light width=86>Reuben McCoy</TD><TD class=notch_light width=152>Winslow Township, Atco, N.J.</TD><TD class=notch_light width=28>Sr.</TD><TD class=notch_light width=173>51.39 400H</TD></TR><TR><TD class=notch_white width=86>*Jason Richardson</TD><TD class=notch_white width=152>Cedar Hill, Texas</TD><TD class=notch_white width=28>Sr.</TD><TD class=notch_white width=173>13.38 110H, 13.76 110H (42"), 36.05 300H, 49.79 400H</TD></TR><TR><TD class=notch_light width=86>Nick Robinson</TD><TD class=notch_light width=152>Liberty-Eylau, Texarkana, Texas</TD><TD class=notch_light width=28>Sr.</TD><TD class=notch_light width=173>36.95 300H</TD></TR><TR><TD class=notch_white width=86>Wilbert Smith</TD><TD class=notch_white width=152>Eaglecrest, Aurora, Colo.</TD><TD class=notch_white width=28>Sr.</TD><TD class=notch_white width=173>13.62 110H</TD></TR><TR><TD class=notch_light width=86>*Austin Wechter</TD><TD class=notch_light width=152>Shelby, Ohio</TD><TD class=notch_light width=28>Sr.</TD><TD class=notch_light width=173>36.97 300H</TD></TR><TR><TD class=notch_white width=86>David Whitehurst </TD><TD class=notch_white width=152>Lawrenceville School, Lawrenceville, N.J. </TD><TD class=notch_white width=28>Sr.</TD><TD class=notch_white width=173>13.88 110H</TD></TR><TR><TD class=notch_light colSpan=4>Hurdles summary: Craddock, a junior, has the record (13.74 at the world junior championships). Ginn was USA TODAY's football defensive player of the year last fall.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/rankingsindex.htm
two sport top 25 super sport prep, not bad.
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I was wondering - how much track training is Ginn Jr. likely to do in the off-season? (It wasn't just hurdles he excelled in, he was a member of a relay squad which could pay dividends).


We've had a long thread speculating about how good he can become. More track time might help him shave a little from his already fast sprint times.
 
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sandgk said:
I was wondering - how much track training is Ginn Jr. likely to do in the off-season? (It wasn't just hurdles he excelled in, he was a member of a relay squad which could pay dividends).


We've had a long thread speculating about how good he can become. More track time might help him shave a little from his already fast sprint times.
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Didn't Glenville's 400m relay team win nationals this past year, and wasn't the team comprised of Ginn, O'Neal, Lenix, and someone else? Holy shit, we could have 3/4 of the 2003 HS national champion relay team on our football squad next year.
 
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You know what they say, there is Florida speed.. and then there is Glenville Speed.


I understand Miami's speed has just reported to Tempe for the 2003 Fiesta Bowl with a message, "Let's get it on." Arizona State officials report locals merely pointed and laughed.
 
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I believe it was their 800m (4*200m) relay team that won and I'm pretty sure that they set a nat'l record in doing so. And Ted actually ran a 13.26 at state, but the wind was about .5 mph over the legal limit, so it didn't count.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
You know what they say, there is Florida speed.. and then there is Glenville Speed.


I understand Miami's speed has just reported to Tempe for the 2003 Fiesta Bowl with a message, "Let's get it on." Arizona State officials report locals merely pointed and laughed.
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When trev commented on the speed of usc earlier i had that as my avator? "Their is speed and then their is glenville spped"
 
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2004 USA High School Outdoor Track

400 meters
1. 45.25 Lashawn Merritt
2. 45.44 Xavier Carter (I believe he was a top recruit for LSU)
7. 46.57 Ted Ginn Jr.

110 meter 39" hurdles (olympics are 42 inches)
1. 13.38 Jason Richardson (slight tailwind of 0.89 miles/hour) altitude
2. 13.39 Kevin Craddock (slight tailwind of 3.80 miles/hour)
3. 13.40 Ted Ginn Jr. (slight headwind of 2.68 miles/hour)

Richardson and Ginn met head-to-head at the Adidas Outdoor Championships (AOC), with Ginn scoring a decisive victory. Even though he only had the 3rd best time coming in, that was into a headwind while the other 2 guys had tailwinds. In the head-to-head matchup, Teddy proved once again that he is the best hurdler in the country, winning the national championship for the 2nd year in a row.

4x100 meter relay
1. 40.28 Lancaster TX
2. 40.51 Glenville

Lancaster owned the best time, but when they met for the national title at AOC they were defeated by Glenville's squad of Freddie Lenix, Daven Jones, Stephon Fuqua and Ted Ginn. Glenville's B team (which Jamario O'Neal was on) actually finished 3rd in that race with a time of 41.13. Disgusting.

4x200 meter relay
1. 1:23.78 Glenville
2. 1:24.25 Lancaster TX

another national title for Glenville over Lancaster. Jamario O'Neal replaced Daven Jones on this relay.

4x400 meter relay
1. 3:11.45 Los Angeles Dorsey CA
2. 3:12.65 Lancaster TX
3. 3:13.30 Alief Elsik TX
4. 3:13.44 Glenville

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2003 USA High School Outdoor Track

110 meter hurdles
1. 13.51 Jason Richardson (slight tailwind of 2.91 miles/hour)
2. 13.52 Kerron Clement (slight tailwind of 2.91 miles/hour)
3. 13.62 Ted Ginn Jr. (slight headwind of 0.45 miles/hour)

same story as in 2004. Ginn didn't come in with the fastest time, due to the wind discrepancies, but he defeated Richardson head-to-head at AOC to claim his 1st national title.

4x200 meter relay
1. 1:24.12 Port Arthur Memorial TX
2. 1:24.13 Arlington Bowie TX
3. 1:24.49 Winslow NJ
4. 1:24.77 Glenville

4x400 meter relay
1. 3:10.47 Winslow NJ
2. 3:10.66 Glenville
3. 3:10.69 Humble TX (David Boston's hometown)

In a thrilling race, Glenville was just edged out for the title. Ginn ran third and recorded a "demon-like" split of 45.3, bringing the Tarblooders from the middle of the pack all the way into first, but Winslow's anchor was too strong.


In conclusion, the Glenville Tarblooders have been absolutely PHENOMENAL in track the last 2 years. Watching them has been an absolute blast. On a Saturday afternoon in April 2004 the prestigious Penn Relays were on NBC. After showing elite athletes such as Maurice Greene, etc. the high school 4x100 relay championship was shown. Glenville was the underdog and the announcers didn't even mention them (after all, how could anybody from Ohio be fast?), instead focusing on teams from Florida and Jamaica. But as the gun went off, there they were, blazing around the track, executing perfect handoffs. Coming into the final turn, I couldn't breathe as they were just one more good handoff away from victory. Teddy received the baton and flew to the finish line, as I jumped and screamed at the TV with an exuberance I hadn't felt since the Miami game. I was just so thrilled to see local boys winning big on national TV, led by a humble superstar that was going to be a Buckeye. I had visions of him leaving Wolverines in the dust in the same manner as he left those elite sprinters, and just 7 months later, he would.

Ginn and Glenville's accomplishments:
- 2 national championships in the 110 hurdles.
- 2 national championships in the relays, one in the 4x1 and the other in the
4x2.
- a 3:10.66 in the 4x4, which wasn't good enough to win but an absolutely
ridiculous time nonetheless
- back to back state track titles, including a record for most points scored in
the meet with a whopping 80 in 2004
- a total of 9 event championships at the state meet in 2003 and 2004, with
a 10th coming in 2002 in the 4x4 (teddy, freddie lenix and donte whitner
were all on that relay)
- having such incredible depth that in 2003, they were able to win the 4x1 at state with 4 guys and then win the 4x4 with 4 totally different guys. (You NEVER see that in track. Usually there are at least 2 people that are doubling up). Then at the state meet the following year, they were able to win the 4x1 and the just-added 4x2 without having ted on either relay.
- shattering of state records in the 4x1, 4x2, and 4x4 relays

Glenville 2003-2004 is the greatest track team in the history of Ohio. And this state has had some damn fine teams and individuals.
 
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perusing through the state meet results from 2001 to 2004, I noticed the following football players:

- brian hartline: 2nd in the 300 hurdles, 4th in the 110 hurdles, 10th in the high jump.
- erik haw: 4th in the 100
- jamario o'neal: 3rd in the 100
- freddie lenix: 3rd in the 100
- brandon underwood: 11th in the 400, 15th in the 200
- chad hoobler: 16th in the discus
- brandon smith: 7th in the shot put
- fred davis: 6th in the 110 hurdles, 7th in the 300 hurdles
- curt lukens: 10th in the 100
- curtis terry: 11th in the 200
- tony gonalez: anchored team to 3rd in the 4x4 and 9th in the 4x1; also ran on a state championship 4x4 team his sophomore year
- marcus freeman: 13th in the shot put
- marcel frost: 15th in the shot put
- tyler everett: anchored team to 9th in the 4x1
- mike d'andrea: 3 time state champion, winning twice in the shot put and once in the discus; an absolute monster
- quinn pitcock: 7th in the discus
- troy smith: 15th in the long jump
- rob sims: 4th in the shot put
- dustin fox: anchored a phenomenal 4x1 team that set a northeast ohio regional record, but they had bad handoffs at state and finished 3rd; was also 9th in the long jump
- pierre woods: ran on a 4x1 relay that finished 6th
- lawrence reid: 3rd in the high jump

this is just from the last 4 years, i remember chris chambers and lee evans being almost as good as ginn during their time at bedford; drew carter was an excellent athlete, winning 4 athletes in our conference meet (both hurdles, the high jump and the long jump; he had never even done the high jump before, but he was such an athlete that he won it anyway, despite it being a highly technical event); and i believe robert smith still owns the northeast ohio regional record in the 400. I wish I had results from the '90s, but oh well.
 
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