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WR Ted Ginn, Jr. (Official Thread)

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Big10B/B brings some good points here. We never really had a chance to see MoC in his second year and what he could have been. I think he could have been more explosive had he chosen to stay the course and gone on to be infamous but that point is rather moot now.

But with Ginn its anothoer story altogether. Now that he has been exposed and shown what he can really do, the thing that still remains is his ability to get up after taking a big hit. You just know that its bound to happen. Alot of you people in Cleveland probably know this already. But I have not seen him take a big lick yet. I hate to sound like a devils advocate here but I hope he can sustain and have the strenght to get up and just walk back to the huddle and do it again. I hope he can become stronger and stronger and hopefully bulk up in the body area where it will be needed. It will be interesting to see what he looks like for the year 2005.
 
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Wells also lost some speed due to injuries. And it was Akron :) Remember how good Ross looked last year against IU? But your point is still the same, he probably lost a little bit of speed due the muscle increase he needed to play RB.

And while he probably can't line up for every play at wideout in the pros with his smaller frame, that doesn't mean he couldn't play in the nfl. We have yet to see how good of a cover corner he is, and if he lives up to his billing in this area he could have a promising NFL career. Plus, Dante Hall is only 5'8 and 187 lbs after plenty of bulking up for the NFL.

I really think that he is going to be used on offense because his future in the NFL hinges on it. I think he is talented enough to play as a speed receiver in the NFL, but he's a little small and would worry scouts. If he were instead a 6'0 DB that could play WR/DB/KR/PR he would go in the Top-5. Tressel does a great job preparing guys for life after college (including those who never make it past the scout team), and I think that Ted Ginn will be no exception. Tressel will use him as the team needs him, but his ticket to being the best player in the draft will be at DB.
 
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I tend to think that it doesn't matter if he gets any better or not... he does need to be asserted as a WR a bit more... As long as he stays the same or improves (in real terms) the return we get is nearly maximized.... at least over a season... can he score 12 touchdowns next year? Probably.. 15? Maybe... but not much more because after a while the other team will sell out to keep him from getting the ball.

His abilty to hit the home run is such a threat on offense and special teams that the mere idea that letting him have the ball 4 or 5 times garauntees that you will give up a TD to him completely changes the way a defense can play you... Michgan and Michigan State chose to ignore this fact even after it became obvious... Purdue didn't... (and almost still lost)...

Take this into account the next time you think about putting him on defense. (or away form the offense full time)... his biggest asset right now is terror.
 
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bigtenbadboy said:
...When Maurice Hall came into the program as a freshman he was a fairly slight player for a running back but he had some serious wheels. I remember him taking a handoff against Akron on a sweep and just outrunning everyone.
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BuckeyeFROMscUM said:
Wells also lost some speed due to injuries. And it was Akron
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That was indeed Mo Hall, but that was Kent State in 2002 (sweep to the right from the KSU 28 yard line, where he cut back against the grain and blew past everyone).
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
That was indeed Mo Hall, but that was Kent State in 2002 (sweep to the right from the KSU 28 yard line, where he cut back against the grain and blew past everyone).
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I am still pretty sure the particular play I was referring to was the 2001 opener against Akron. I remember pretty vividly being excited to get my first glimpse at Maurice Hall. I checked the archives on the official OSU site and Maurice did have 3 carries for 30 yards with a long of 28 in the 2001 Akron game.

You can check it out here: http://ohiostatebuckeyes.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/090801aaa.html

Akron Ohio State


Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg Rushing No Gain Loss Net TD Lg Avg
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Payne, Brandon 13 80 5 75 0 30 5.8 Wells, Jonathan 24 123 4 119 2 14 5.0
Hendry, Bob 11 48 9 39 0 16 3.5 Maldonado, Sammy 14 72 4 68 0 19 4.9
Basch, Dan 3 11 0 11 0 6 3.7 Hall, Maurice 3 30 0 30 0 28 10.0
Team 1 0 2 -2 0 0 -2.0 Ross, Lydell 4 16 0 16 0 5 4.0
Frye, Charlie 5 3 12 -9 0 3 -1.8 Bellisari, Steve 9 23 21 2 0 9 0.2
Totals... 33 142 28 114 0 30 3.5 McMullen, Scott 2 1 0 1 0 1 0.5
Totals... 56 265 29 236 2 28 4.2
 
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Imagine Teddy Ginn, with his current natural abilities, and the trained receiver skills of a Jerry Rice.

If he works half as hard as Rice did at mastering route running, separation moves and pass catching, he will go down in history -- just like Rice.

Ted Senior will be able to drive down the road to Canton to see a bronze bust of his namesake.
 
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This might sound stupid and apples to oranges but Ginn's running style reminds me of Eric Dickerson.

When I watch him (just him and not the defenders he is blowing past) he does not appear to be fast. Yes...that sounds dumb. And the fashion in which he leans into his run does not help. But it only takes two strides for him to be at full speed and he always seem to have his head up while running through traffic...although it goes down once he is in the clear.

So I think that stlye will help prevent a clean hit much like it helped Dickerson avoid them as well.
 
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UGA makes an excellent point. I'm gonna have to ding you for that comparison. I was thinking that Ginns long strides remind me of dickerson. I think Erik Haw is a little better comparison because Erik has faster turnover with his legs but Ginn is very similar as well.

Ginns running style is long strides and PERFECT FORM!!! look at a profile picture of Ginn running. Hes leaning forward at a perfect angle while hes running on the balls of his feet. He also his high knee action and a smooth arm pump to help with his accelaration.

His dad is one hell of a coach because his son has PERFECT AND I MEAN PERFECT SPRINTER FORM. He has the ability and technique to take him as far as he wants to go!!
 
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Grad whoever was coaching him knew what they were doing. As a former state sprinter I admire this kids ability. I could only have dreamed about having form like that. Thats why sprinters get beat in races is because their form breaks down. I can see why he won so many races.
 
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brutus2002 said:
Grad whoever was coaching him knew what they were doing. As a former state sprinter I admire this kids ability. I could only have dreamed about having form like that. Thats why sprinters get beat in races is because their form breaks down. I can see why he won so many races.
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He was one of the first clients at one of the training centers in Cleveland...I remember reading about it on BN during his recruiting. He was extremely slow coming into Jr. high. Amazing results Id say.
 
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Not that it matters but i went through the old threads and found this

Tim Robertson, co-owner of Speed Strength Systems in Euclid and Avon, and his partner, Eric Lichter, had a close-up look at the incredible physical change Ginn underwent.

"Ted started with us about the time we opened," said Robertson, a former strength and conditioning coach with the University of Miami Hurricanes. "It was the end of his freshman year. Ted was running a 4.95 in the 40. His most recent clocking was 4.29, which is unbeliev able." Robertson said he does not know of any high school athlete who has run that fast in the football-oriented sprint. That includes the NFL scouting combine, which allows professional football coaches to look at the college talent pool.
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