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WR Ray Small (official thread)

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We do need him to a certain extent, but we have a ton of younger players who just need some gametime experience. Small is very replaceable, if he starts to get out of line, Washington and Thomas would be just as good replacements. I like Small and hope he has a productive year for his final season, but we can be just as deadly on offense without him
 
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What's going on with receiver Ray Small? Ohio State football
by Doug Lesmerises, The Plain Dealer
Monday August 03, 2009

There's no guarantee that senior Ohio State receiver Ray Small will be on the field when the Buckeyes open the season on Sept. 5. With Small, there never seem to be guarantees.

But that door hasn't closed yet either.

Bucknuts.com reported last night that Small and senior defensive lineman Robert Rose, both of Glenville High, are not with the Buckeyes for now, aren't allowed to train with the team and have had their scholarship aid revoked for the time being as a result of academic problems.

While the issues regarding Rose had previously been reported by the Columbus Dispatch, this round of Small news was new.

But this morning, Ken Small, Ray's father, said his son is still on track to start preseason camp with the Buckeyes a week from today.

"He was just here last night and he was saying how he wants to go to camp, and that's a first," Ken Small said. "Usually it's like, 'Man, we've got to go to camp.' Now, he was like, 'I can't wait until camp.'"

Ken Small has been vocal about his son's standing with the Buckeyes in the past, believing during a two-game suspension last season that his son may have played his last down in Columbus. But a source in the Ohio State athletic department also confirmed that Small's status hasn't changed from what it has been all summer - day to day.

He has summer school issues he's still dealing with. Ken Small said his son had a problem with a history class that was being worked on. But the source said Small still could report for camp next Sunday with everyone else.

It seems like we won't know for sure until the Buckeyes check into the team hotel Sunday night, and maybe we won't even know then. But for now, hold off on counting out Small for the start of the season.
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What's going on with receiver Ray Small? Ohio State football - cleveland.com
 
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It is disappointing but he has to know that playing football for tOSU also means that he keeps his acedemics in check. If that's what it is. There's a lot going on in the WR corps this year. Hope he returns but it will be an opportunity for Carter or TWash to step up IMO.
 
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I also checked in with Ohio State about wide receiver/punt returner Ray Small, whose status for training camp and the start of the season is up in the air. Team spokeswoman Shelly Poe wrote in an e-mail that Small's status has not changed to date and that as of right now, the senior is expected to report with the rest of the team Sunday for camp.
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Updates on Ohio State's Berry and Small - Big Ten - ESPN
 
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Let's all remember Ray is STILL a Buckeye...

If you bash a Buckeye coach or player on this site, you will leave for 14 days. Period. No warnings, no edits, no lengthy PM debates....straight out the door.
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I for one hope he can straighten out his academics with this one class over the remainder of the summer and make a contribution to his team, his family, and society. It's not like he's running around selling drugs and gunning innocent people down in the streets.
 
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pnuts34;1509617; said:
I hope this kid gets his act together, but he hasn't done anything that spectacular in his buckeye career to get so many second chances, IMO
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1vCZiZVHHo]YouTube - Ray Small 69 yard Punt Return vs Ohio[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z80yj25Xxl8]YouTube - Ray Small Ohio State 2007[/ame]

I respect your thoughts about the academic issues, and I'm definitely cherry picking your post to try and look cool, but Ray's been a contributor to his team. He may be considered inconsistent and underachieving, but he has made plays (mostly PR) that have changed games in our favor. Too bad there's not more on youtube, I recall a few more big returns last year that were desperately needed, with that offense. Even if Ray sets the field on fire this season, I don't think he'll ever escape the perception that he didn't live up to expectations, but had he not been tagged as "better than Teddy Ginn", I think his OSU career would be viewed much differently. Regardless, in 6 months, there will be no more second chances. I hope he siezes the opportunity to wrap up his OSU career on a positive note.
 
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When some of you guys get old enough to have kids you'll understand better.


  1. Kids screw up, usually more than once.
  2. You make them feel the pain brought by the consequences of their actions so they will hopefully one day have the wisdom to cut down on the poor decisions. No one ever gets to the point where he or she quits making dumb decisions all together.
  3. You throw your arm around them after you punish them and and make sure they know you love them.
  4. At no point do you ever turn your back on them.
 
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pnuts34;1509680; said:
And generaladm, there aren't many youtube clips of him, because he has done anything! He made a nice run against a MAC team, come on now! I am not trying to bash this kid, so people please calm yourselves, I'm giving my opinion on a player that has been given 2nd chances, but still can't get his grades in order!
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I'm not accusing you of bashing, I tried to make it clear that my post wasn't completely directed at you, it was in response to what many have said about Ray. I agree with you that he, of all people, should get his academics together, and it shouldn't even be in question. But, to say he hasn't contributed at all is just hyperbole. Sure, that PR was against a MAC team, but one that damn near beat us, and the rest of the team didn't exactly shine against (272 total yds). He also had an 80 yarder in The Game, which, last time I checked, is a pretty big deal. I had thought he made some other big plays last year, but looking thru the box scores, it seems that was about it. The only point I was trying to make (and not directed at you) was that Ray has made some big plays in his career, and I hope he makes an even bigger contribution this coming season.
 
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