OSUBasketballJunkie
Never Forget 31-0
We have passed ugly and now have reached the point of total chaos in this situation. Its unfortunate and I hope it works out for Ray either at tOSU or elsewhere.
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We have passed ugly and now have reached the point of total chaos in this situation. Its unfortunate and I hope it works out for Ray either at tOSU or elsewhere.
NuclearBuck
Buckeye in Exile
I can hardly imagine that if he was in school, attending classes, that someone in the nearly 50 pages of this thread couldn't verify that he was really there. We have constant reports of sightings while on campus so Im concerned that he has yet to be spotted.
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ntd
Hall of Fame
Believe it or not Admissions has more to worry about than whether or not a blue chip recruit gets in...and NCAA standards don't matter to them a bit...this whole berating of admissions is akin to you walking in and yelling "Do you know who I am???" after getting shitty service, they don't care what you think and you aren't going to change anything.
Going out of their way to try to get a recruit in is sufficiently out of their normal operation, and frankly more than should be expected, they have ways to decide who gets in and who doesn't and if Ray were a normal person he would have gotten his admission denial and enrolled in Cuyahoga Community College or something to try again next year
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While that may be true, they would do well to realize what a cash cow the football team is to the university, not only in direct funding from ticket sales, merchandising, concessions, and broadcast revenue, but also in alumni contributions. The kid has a right now know whether or not he is qualified for admission...there is absolutely no excuse for this kind of crap to be happening.
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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
OK, akronbuck, you can hereby take on the mantle of prophet in own time.
However, it is fair to point out that weeks ago there was a pending test result hanging in the balance. Thus, the situation was then different from now. The current backdrop has JT going to bat heavy for Small post that test, and experiencing (along with Small) no meager measure of frustration with admissions.
We here all share their pain to a lesser extent.
Regardless of the test score, it is generally accepted that Small is NCAA qualified. Whether JT can prove successful in getting Small into OSU is something of an acid test for the future - in many ways, APR, graduation rate, team GPA, and of course, student-athlete personnel.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
I hate to disagree with you. Football is only a cash cow relative to the athletic department balancing its books. It has very little bearing on the university's overall budget. The entire athletic department budget is 80 million out of a overall university budget of 2.2 billion. It also is barely profitable and not kicking back anything to the university's general fund right now. And even that 80 million is not going to be influenced, much less dry up, by the abscence of one blue chip here-or-there--or even one coach for that matter.
The alumni contributions factor is a myth, and has been shot down in every study on the subject. A winning football (or basketball) team has no bearing on a university's ability to raise funds. To the contrary, a scandal plagued athletic program has been shown to reduce private fund raising. I've linked Andy Geiger's interview for the oral history project below. If you open up the full pdf interview, he addresses the issue in detail.
https://kb.osu.edu/dspace/handle/1811/5920
To put that 80 million in perspective, Ohio State raised 220 million in private donations last year, and athletic donations were a very small part of that. That number is about to go up sharply, as Ohio State is about to commence a multi-year campaign with a rumored goal of 2-2 1/2 billion dollars. The university also attracted half a billion dollars last year in externally funded research dollars. Those are big numbers by Ohio State's standards.
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OSUBasketballJunkie
Never Forget 31-0
So basically your saying that tOSU football does not matter to the university as a whole? 
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The $80 mil is the budget, not what the football team brings in. Between ticket sales, concessions, merchandising, broadcast revenue, bowl game winnings, stadium advertising, etc., I would bet that the football team brings in quite a bit more. Even if they didn't, the football program enables all the other sports to operate...take away the football program and all other athletic programs would cease to exist.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
So basically your saying that tOSU football does not matter to the university as a whole?
I never said that it did NOT matter nor inferred that it had no role at Ohio State. I simply put the numbers into perspective as well as addressing the widely believed yet mythical link between athletics and a university's (any university's) ability to attract private funds.
Look, this is an athletic forum, and as such there will always be those firmly believing that the tail should wag the dog. That doesn't mean that it's reality.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
You are right about the latter, Mili. The football team does financially support the entire athletic department. That 80 million dollar figure, however, includes all revenue from athletic programs--football, basketball and others. Hey consider ourselves lucky. At most schools--even BCS schools--the university has to subsidize the athletic programs. The latter link will allow you to bring up Ohio State detailed athletic budget.
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060330/SPORTS/603300460/1004/SPORTS
http://www2.indystar.com/NCAA_financial_reports/http://www2.indystar.com/NCAA_financial_reports/revenue_stat/show
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Is that true if he is a part time student? I don't see how on the one hand they can say a kid isn't qualified to attend a school and on the other hand say that if he wants to go to a second school it is a transfer.
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buckeyeinfla
Bittersweet Symphony
man this just gets uglier everyday...the osu hierarchy expect tressel to win a NC each year yet hamstring on the kids..get this..that actually qualify under NCAA rules....what a joke..maybe the kid is a bad test taker..i was under the understanding he had a pretty good core GPA..
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
I truly do not believe that the Ohio State hierarchy (if by hierarchy you mean administration, trustees and faculty) expect Tressel to win a NC every year. I think a minority of fans might have those unreasonable expectations.
My guess of what is expected of coach Tressel from the hierarchy would be as follows:
1) Don't embarass the university. Run a clean program, graduate a respectable number of players and keep them off the police blotter.
2) Win enough (without compromising the above) to make everybody's life easier and keep the athletic department in the black. I would take a stab that this might fall along lines such as these:
--every 6 or 7 years make it to the BCS championship game
--win the B10 title at least once every 3 years
--do no worse than break even against Michigan
--do no worse than break even in bowl games
--if you have a losing season, don't have another one for at least 5 years.
If Tressel could accomplish all of the above, there still would be elements of the fanbase that would turn on him. The hierarchy, however, would let him keep his job for as long as he wanted it.
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