Wauseon plant to open Monday for 110-mpg car engines

[scott91575]

if you think any early 1980s car would pass todays emission standards youre joking yourself....

or safety standards, including meeting 5* ratings. Add in more electronics, some more motors for convenience features, etc. You add over 500 lbs to the vehicle.

I love conspiracy theories that this stuff is being kept away on purpose. Just have "idiot" tattooed on your forehead. It would save people the effort of listening to you.

I have said this before. I will say it again. I have worked for more than one auto company. I have been involved in R&D. There is nothing being held back from you that makes sense financially. Any company would kill to have some super advanced fuel economy saving engine, and would get it on the market as fast as possible. I have been involved in fuel savings measures where the company is willing to spend hundreds of millions for a few percentage increases in fuel economy. The only reason OEM's try to stop CAFE increases is some companies build a larger amount of low fuel economy vehicles...why? Because they were selling, and selling well. Again, why? Because the consumer wanted them. Then the government goes and forces CAFE on companies, and use zero knowledge into how to implement it. This puts companies at a disadvantage to other companies that sell cars in areas where fuel economy sells more.

Where is this super Chevy Citation these days? You actually believed that bull[censored]? Did you pump the gas yourself, or did your uncle come back and tell you it was only 3 gallons and it was full? That whole story is full of [censored]. First of all, a dealer would have no clue the vehicle was experimental. On top of that, it would also never get anywhere near a consumer. Finally, if the dealer did know it was experimental it would have been illegal to sell it or let a consumer keep it.

I love how people call the big 3 CEO's idiots, and yet on the other hand accuse them of a vast conspiracy that would take unimaginable genius.

 

[BrutuStrength]

Interesting that Al Gore now appears to be investing in another gasoline powered (V-Vehicle), high mileage car company.

In the midst of the worst automotive industry crisis in a generation, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal is announcing today that a new car company will build an almost one million square-foot plant in Monroe, in the northern part of the state. The company, identity to be revealed, is rumored to be planning to produce high-mileage, gas-powered automobiles.

 

[Albert Gore Jr]

Interesting that Al Gore now appears to be investing in another gasoline powered (V-Vehicle), high mileage car company.

It will be fueled by burning c-notes. They won't be worth shit anyways.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I love how people call the big 3 CEO's idiots, and yet on the other hand accuse them of a vast conspiracy that would take unimaginable genius.

Collusion between three companies--and the only three companies of their kind, essentially, in the entire country--would hardly require "a vast conspiracy that would take unimaginable genius".

You don't see Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Mitusbishi, Suzuki, Hyundai, Kia, etc., failing and asking their governments for bailouts. If the CEOs of the Big Three were worth anywhere near what they get paid, then GM, Ford, and Chrysler would be in the black and the taxpayers would be billions richer...

 

[Steve19]

Collusion between three companies--and the only three companies of their kind, essentially, in the entire country--would hardly require "a vast conspiracy that would take unimaginable genius".

You don't see Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Mitusbishi, Suzuki, Hyundai, Kia, etc., failing and asking their governments for bailouts. If the CEOs of the Big Three were worth anywhere near what they get paid, then GM, Ford, and Chrysler would be in the black and the taxpayers would be billions richer...

What he said.

 

[BUCKYLE]

You guys sound like lvbuckeye now.

 

[scott91575]

Collusion between three companies--and the only three companies of their kind, essentially, in the entire country--would hardly require "a vast conspiracy that would take unimaginable genius".

You don't see Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Mitusbishi, Suzuki, Hyundai, Kia, etc., failing and asking their governments for bailouts. If the CEOs of the Big Three were worth anywhere near what they get paid, then GM, Ford, and Chrysler would be in the black and the taxpayers would be billions richer...

Yes, but you are the one who thinks not only those 3, but all the other foreign ones you mentioned are in collusion to keep high mileage cars away from you. If it wasn't for all of them getting together (upwards of 20 OEMs), and the supply base of thousands of companies you would have your 100mpg car in a cheap package (nevermind going through upper management like used Kleenex's - all of them as soon as they get promoted are immediately assimilated into the vast collusion). Yet no, despite losing billions, and spending billions on research into increased fuel economy, all those companies are holding back incredible inventions from you so the oil companies can make money. Or maybe the big 3 is advanced more than the other car manufacturers, and despite knowing hundreds of people who work for those companies, no one has ever confided in me about this super technology created by the big 3. I was also kept away from the super secret projects despite being directly involved in fuel economy R&D that spent hundreds of millions. Gee, you would think they would just implement a small little piece of the super technology and be done with it. Naw...let's spend billions of dollars to keep the conspiracy alive.

Instead, they use mind control to hush people, and keep them from going to other companies and using technology (most auto engineers jump companies at some point...many to foreign companies). Then, instead of just implementing this wonderful technology, not only giving them a huge advantage, profits through the roof, and millions in incentives for upper management...naw, they lose tons of money just to get their hands on your tax money (yeah, a few billion which they would easily have made more implementing the technology). Ya, that's a good plan. Let's not forget that Daimler owned Chrysler, so the Germans are now in on it too. All of this in companies that have employed millions of employees, and for the most part public ownership. How can you not consider them keeping things away from you pure and absolute genious. I mean, the only people even mentioning it are random people on the internet (the bastion for clear and reasonable thinking), yet those millions of people directly involved in this vast conspiracy all keep quiet. Mind boggling genius!

 

[BUCKYLE]

Let's not forget that Daimler owned Chrysler, so the Germans are now in on it too.

Should've known the god damned Germans would have something to do with it.

 

[scott91575]

Should've known the god damned Germans would have something to do with it.

What do you expect? The sneaky bastards did bomb Pearl Harbor.

 

[MaliBuckeye]

And they love David Hasselhoff

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Bastards.

 

[BUCKYLE]

Nuke 'em.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Yes, but you are the one who thinks not only those 3, but all the other foreign ones you mentioned are in collusion to keep high mileage cars away from you. ... yet those millions of people directly involved in this vast conspiracy all keep quiet. Mind boggling genius!

IIRC, I originally stated that big oil companies were the ones who were keeping the radical inventions from the puiblic by buying them off or buying their patents.

The Japanese and Korean car companies I mentioned likely aren't suppressing high-milage improvements, seeing as they keep putting them out there ahead of US car makers. Japan and Korea, due to their very nature (crowded toards and limited natural resources) from day one have had to make more efficient cars. They also don't have access to any potential US inventions that likely have been bought off by big oil.

Keep fooling yourself that US auto makers are really diligently working as hard as they can to bring the American consumer the most fuel-efficient vehicle possible...

 

[BUCKYLE]

IIRC, I originally stated that big oil companies were the ones who were keeping the radical inventions from the puiblic by buying them off or buying their patents.

The Japanese and Korean car companies I mentioned likely aren't suppressing high-milage improvements, seeing as they keep putting them out there ahead of US car makers. Japan and Korea, due to their very nature (crowded toards and limited natural resources) from day one have had to make more efficient cars. They also don't have access to any potential US inventions that likely have been bought off by big oil.

Keep fooling yourself that US auto makers are really diligently working as hard as they can to bring the American consumer the most fuel-efficient vehicle possible...

Yeah, because no Japanese or Korean could come up with a patent on their own, despite their "very nature" seemingly giving more reason for them to come up with the invention.

The reason the big three didn't put out any cars like the japanese is because those cars are gay...or were. Now it's acceptable for a grown man to ride around in a vehicle that requires a rip cord pull start...not too long ago, that was frowned upon in America.

 

[scott91575]

IIRC, I originally stated that big oil companies were the ones who were keeping the radical inventions from the puiblic by buying them off or buying their patents.

The Japanese and Korean car companies I mentioned likely aren't suppressing high-milage improvements, seeing as they keep putting them out there ahead of US car makers. Japan and Korea, due to their very nature (crowded toards and limited natural resources) from day one have had to make more efficient cars. They also don't have access to any potential US inventions that likely have been bought off by big oil.

Keep fooling yourself that US auto makers are really diligently working as hard as they can to bring the American consumer the most fuel-efficient vehicle possible...

Then why the fuck are you responding to a claim of collusion and me talking about conspiracies in the Big 3? It would be far reaching. I did forget, you are the one with the main focus on the oil companies buying out patents (which are readily available to anyone that wants to see them, yet for some reason no one ever links the patents) and auto makers not implementing them over capital costs (despite the fact they build new plants and completely retool plants all the time). Big 3 management was inept. Not my point. My point being that there was no conspiracy. It is not just 3 companies. The Automakers cannot even make a paper airplanes without supplier involvement. Many suppliers that are international and drive many of the automotive innovations.

As far as oil companies buying patents....they do have vast interest in alternative fuel technology. You can argue that they slow the pace of those technologies due to that fact. Yet when it comes to revolutionary automotive engine technology, they are not holding back super engines (like the one you linked). First of all, that patent would have expired by now. Second, anyone could look up the patent (here you go, knock yourself out.... PatFT ? Page 1 of 1 ). Auto companies would have used those patents for internal research, and then sell those ideas once the patent expires (assuming they were not smart enough to buy said technology themselves). Of course more than likely they would reverse engineer it, and change it enough to get around the patent. Finally, I am still waiting on my link showing they bought that guys engine patent and buried it. Please tell me you have more than a story made up by you or some other guy on the internet.

FTR...many patents are bought and never see the light of day. Not because they are held back from the public, but becuase they do not work as advertised or have any useful purpose.

 

[scott91575]

Yeah, because no Japanese or Korean could come up with a patent on their own, despite their "very nature" seemingly giving more reason for them to come up with the invention.

The reason the big three didn't put out any cars like the japanese is because those cars are gay...or were. Now it's acceptable for a grown man to ride around in a vehicle that requires a rip cord pull start...not too long ago, that was frowned upon in America.

Come on, blaming the consumer. Shame on you!

The only reason the Japanese and Koreans do well in the auto industry is because big oil holds back Joe six pack's inventions in his garage. Not only are countries that have proven to make amazing advances in technology not smart enough, but also the big 3 automakers. Only random guys (with minimal capital in comparison) who are bought up by big oil smart enough to make huge advances. It's not the marketplace. It's big oil buying up those genius small investors in the US.

Of course let's just ignore the fact Chinese, Korean, and Japanese companies copy American patents all the time. Yet when it comes to the ones Big Oil bought up, they shy away. Hell, even after the patents expire. Those big oil bastards!