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Wauseon plant to open Monday for 110-mpg car engines

scott91575;1689273; said:
First of all, I can make up all the pretty charts you want. The guy is begging the government for money, and you are cool with him coming up with his own charts.
To be fair, I never said I am cool with him coming up with his own charts. What I did do was share his claims with you.

I am not surprised that he came up with his own charts, however, since he is the person collecting the data and promoting his invention. :wink:

scott91575;1689273; said:
His emissions claims are complete crap (I have dealt with this in an earlier post). He doesn't even report them correctly. A huge reason for distrust.

Does the following excerpt from the article not address this concern? I'm not arguing with you, but on the surface (at least) this would appear to seem legit.
Article said:
Standard EPA testing on the vehicle in Cleveland in May confirmed that ? without the benefit of a catalytic converter, which his design does not require ? the Mustang?s tailpipe emitted 86.6 of hydrocarbons and 0.46 percent carbon monoxide, both well below the newly imposed EPA standards for all automakers.

scott91575;1689273; said:
In the end you can believe whatever you want. Yet I will break it down for you....this guy is asking for government money through charts he created, and no one else has been able to test the vehicle (at least in any thorough manner). Of course I am going to doubt him. Until he hands over his super car for independent testing I am not going to believe him, and neither should you. Especially since he is essentially asking for your tax money.
This makes sense to me. I don't have any sort of problem with wanting him to submit his car/engine for an independent review. By now, at least, I would think that he should be able to build a second engine/car for an independent organization to test and verify.

scott91575;1689273; said:
BTW...since you want me to go into more info on his system....he still uses a combustion process. No matter how much regen braking you do or how many cylinders you shut down you are working with an inefficient process. He is not the first to have tight tolerances (probably not even one of the people to do it since I doubt his claims). Then add in ethanol is even less efficient that regular gasoline (he uses equivalent mpg, another one of his tricks, and the reason why he uses ethanol). Cylinder deactivation is great, yet you still need to overcome aerodynamic issues (you can only shut down so many, and even then you are at best like a normal 4 cylinder car for MPG). That takes power, power created by an inefficient process. Regen braking can only recover some of the unwanted energy, but on the highway it's all wanted (no braking). Which says to me he is draining a battery on his runs, using tricks to inflate his numbers, and essentially knows it does not work in everyday driving.
"Equivalent mpg" is that where he puts the little "e" next to the "MPG"(MPGe)? I thought that might have been his way of saying MPG on ethanol.
 
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BrutuStrength;1689300; said:
To be fair, I never said I am cool with him coming up with his own charts. What I did do was share his claims with you.

I am not surprised that he came up with his own charts, however, since he is the person collecting the data and promoting his invention. :wink:

My issue comes when he uses it to ask for tax money. No way should anyone believe his charts.

Does the following excerpt from the article not address this concern? I'm not arguing with you, but on the surface (at least) this would appear to seem legit.

That is the thing, on the surface it seems like a good claim. Yet it looks like he plugged his car into a dyno and only ran it in a non transient fashion. I dealt with this in an earlier post, and I don't feel like going through it again. Yet it's not the proper way of reporting emissions, and I doubt he ran an actual EPA cycle. He hooked his car up to a "EPA dyno" and got a single reading. You need to actually run the cycle. In non transient situations, aka just running at a single speed, all vehicle pass emissions by a ton. Yet start up and changing of speeds, especially start up, is what really hurts vehicles for emissions.


This makes sense to me. I don't have any sort of problem with wanting him to submit his car/engine for an independent review. By now, at least, I would think that he should be able to build a second engine/car for an independent organization to test and verify.


"Equivalent mpg" is that where he puts the little "e" next to the "MPG"(MPGe)? I thought that might have been his way of saying MPG on ethanol.

It's one of his many tricks. MPGe is what the vehicle would get if he ran regular gasoline (why not just run regular gas? It's not likes it's hard to find). It's a conversion from ethanol since ethanol gets worse gas mileage than regular gas. Yet his other claims, like emissions, are used with ethanol (that can help with emissions). That way he ups his MPG claims while still making his emissions claims, which I have already stated are dubious.

See red.
 
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With another spike in gas prices recently it reminded me of this wonderful thread. The Verde super car dropped his engine from their supposed lineup (if they ever actually planned to do it in the first place). Here was their note on their website when they dropped his engine....

Revenge Designs Inc is announcing the withdrawal of all support and funding to Hp2g llc, due to numerous requests for third party validations to the claims of their 110mpge Hp2g engine. Revenge Designs was informed the patents were in place late 2009, since then Revenge Designs has requested documentation for the third party testing to no avail. Revenge Designs finds this to be unacceptable.


His "factory" is shut down, he has no funding, and supposedly a patent pending (although I saw one report there is no patent application under his name). It's nice to see his site though. He blames it on the banks not giving him funding. Just the man keeping him down I guess. Those oil companies got to another one! Dastardly bastards!

It's pretty laughable to read his site at this point. I am not sure if he is just a delusional quack or a very devoted con man.
 
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scott91575;1921792; said:
With another spike in gas prices recently it reminded me of this wonderful thread. The Verde super car dropped his engine from their supposed lineup (if they ever actually planned to do it in the first place). Here was their note on their website when they dropped his engine....

His "factory" is shut down, he has no funding, and supposedly a patent pending (although I saw one report there is no patent application under his name). It's nice to see his site though. He blames it on the banks not giving him funding. Just the man keeping him down I guess. Those oil companies got to another one! Dastardly bastards!

It's pretty laughable to read his site at this point. I am not sure if he is just a delusional quack or a very devoted con man.
Yeah, I was wondering about this the other day. It seems crazy that he would still be unable to get his mileage claims proven by this point if they were real. He should also be able to build a second engine, preferably in a different vehicle model, by now. I would think if he were able to actually prove his mileage claims were real, then investors would be lining up outside his door or his company would be acquired by an auto manufacturer.
 
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