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VA DE Josh Sweat (Florida State Verbal)

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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
I'm assuming you mean sign him, not recruit him. Because I think we're recruiting him just a little bit :). But even at VT, he'd only be a true freshman so not an overly huge impact there.
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So are you saying that he hasn't learned the ways of The Force?
 
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Oh I know that there are impactful freshman players, but there may be a handful every year that are major factors on good teams (most recent example for OSU is just last year as pointed out to be Bosa), and then only a handful every decade that are truly elite as freshman (probably MoC for OSU). So the probability that he is a major impact is pretty small, and the probability that he is an elite player as a freshman are astronomical.
 
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
Oh I know that there are impactful freshman players, but there may be a handful every year that are major factors on good teams (most recent example for OSU is just last year as pointed out to be Bosa), and then only a handful every decade that are truly elite as freshman (probably MoC for OSU). So the probability that he is a major impact is pretty small, and the probability that he is an elite player as a freshman are astronomical.
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For the chances that a random player would have such impact I agree. But he is already in a pre-selected group (as were Bosa and Clarett) that is not so large.
 
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Oh8ch said:
For the chances that a random player would have such impact I agree. But he is already in a pre-selected group (as were Bosa and Clarett) that is not so large.
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I'd still call it a somewhat small chance to be a major factor as a freshman. For every Bosa and Clowney (top 50 talent who are major contributors as freshman), you have 10 noah Spences (top 50 talent with little to no impact as a freshman). And even if Clowney is a major factor, those guys averaged roughly 1 TFL and 0.5 sacks per game. Very good, but not to the level where they completely alter a game. It's the MoC, the Adrian Petersons of the world who are elite as freshman that completely can change a game by themselves that are super rare. Even if you are a top 50 talent it's going to be a rare case that you're one of those types.
 
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
I'd still call it a somewhat small chance to be a major factor as a freshman. For every Bosa and Clowney (top 50 talent who are major contributors as freshman), you have 10 noah Spences (top 50 talent with little to no impact as a freshman). And even if Clowney is a major factor, those guys averaged roughly 1 TFL and 0.5 sacks per game. Very good, but not to the level where they completely alter a game. It's the MoC, the Adrian Petersons of the world who are elite as freshman that completely can change a game by themselves that are super rare. Even if you are a top 50 talent it's going to be a rare case that you're one of those types.
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Agreed. Even with how good Sweat is, he's still playing HS level talent. Thinking that he'll step into any college and have a Katzenmoyer or Bosa type frosh year is very slim of a chance. There's a big underestimating of the talent gap between HS and college. Sweat's upside is what has coaches drooling, his 2nd and 3rd years(barring injury) could be something special. He will still need technical work to be successful at the next level
 
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