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Urban F. Meyer (Former OSU, CFB and NFL coach)

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Buckeye513 said:
That's an argument people make every time they bring up Earle Bruce, John Cooper, and other blue bloods ending up in the wilderness.

There's a possibility that Ohio State ends up with another 9-3 Earle or guy that can't beat Michigan, not an inevitability.
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I ask once again who asserted that Urban Meyer is the only man on earth that could possibly be successful at Ohio State? You mentioned John Cooper PTSD for those who experienced his tenure. Cooper's tenure was the torturous end 34-year drought. A drought that lasted longer than you've been alive. Yes, Ryan Day or the next up-and-comer du jour might have more success than UFM at tOSU but those are fool's odds.
 
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DiamondBuck said:
Hyperbole much? Assuming beating Michigan is not sufficient success,

Notre Dame won a title in '88 and are on their fourth successor
Alabama won a title in '92 and then went through five before hiring Saban.
USC won a title in '04 with Carroll and is on their fourth successor
Nebraska won half a title in '97 with Osborne and is on their sixth successor
Miami won a title in '01 with Coker and is on their fifth successor
Michigan won half a title in '97 and is on their third successor
Florida won a title in '08 and is on their fifth successor (two interims counted)
Texas won a title in '05 and are on their second successor
Tennessee won a title in '98 and are on their sixth successor
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To be fair, Ohio State has certain advantages.
Being the flagship - and only P5 - school in a 2nd tier recruiting State makes a very great baseline. See 9-3 Earle during an era with a lot more parity.
Only LSU and UGA* share that distinction. All the 1st tier states have a lot of options within - which also serves to break up any local loyalty - and heavily recruited nationally.
Whenever Urbs does leave... i think we may need the next Tressel more than the next Urban.


*not counting GTech... theyre better academically but just dont have the same kind of statewide following and run triple option in ACC.
 
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kujirakira said:
To be fair, Ohio State has certain advantages.
Being the flagship - and only P5 - school in a 2nd tier recruiting State makes a very great baseline. See 9-3 Earle during an era with a lot more parity.
Only LSU and UGA* share that distinction. All the 1st tier states have a lot of options within - which also serves to break up any local loyalty - and heavily recruited nationally.
Whenever Urbs does leave... i think we may need the next Tressel more than the next Urban.


*not counting GTech... theyre better academically but just dont have the same kind of statewide following and run triple option in ACC.
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I have said before that the next guy doesn't have to be better than Urban (and he almost certainly won't be), he just has to be better than his peers. Saban isn't staying forever and OSU (should) always be able to field a championship caliber program.

Another positive is the short term boost almost any new coach brings to a program after the last guy had been there about 10 years or so. Coaching fatigue (players just starting to tune a staff out) is a very real thing imo.

You saw Earle be able to take a roster Woody underachieved with and almost win a NC his first year.
Tressel won a NC his 2nd year with Coopers players
Urban goes undefeated with a team fully inherited in 2012.

I have no fear about the next coach but I certainly don't want to see Urban go.


But maybe that's just my PTSD talking
 
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kujirakira said:
To be fair, Ohio State has certain advantages.
Being the flagship - and only P5 - school in a 2nd tier recruiting State makes a very great baseline. See 9-3 Earle during an era with a lot more parity.
Only LSU and UGA* share that distinction. All the 1st tier states have a lot of options within - which also serves to break up any local loyalty - and heavily recruited nationally.
Whenever Urbs does leave... i think we may need the next Tressel more than the next Urban.


*not counting GTech... theyre better academically but just dont have the same kind of statewide following and run triple option in ACC.
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Yes, but no other Cali school has usurped USC during their struggles (Stanford, while much better, did not). They've simply made poor hires.

And, thanks for reminding me- Georgia is another great example. They're on the fourth successor to Vince Dooley.

I have no idea what the right formula is- even Texas with their hand-picked classes eked out just one Natty during the Mack Brown era.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
But maybe that's just my PTSD talking
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How you feel now?
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DiamondBuck said:
And, thanks for reminding me- Georgia is another great example. They're on the fourth successor to Vince Dooley.
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Under Richt, problem #1 was letting too many kids leave the State.
A great national recruiter like Urban can get away with that... but it's not the norm. Those 3 schools should be able to get minimum 9 wins a year -- and 10+ more often than not -- just by putting up a fence.

More than the next HC, I'm a bit worried about that aspect w/Assistant coaches. Everyone says Ohio Kids are special... but it's not lost on me how much losing Fickell and Coombs has hurt. That's strong program stability with Ohio roots and pride to not get curb stomped.
The coaching staff seems like a conglomeration of disjointed mercenaries pursuing their individual career goals and with no real loyalty to the State or school. Maybe that's just bye-week-after-a-loss talking... but it's where I've landed.
 
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DiamondBuck said:
I ask once again who asserted that Urban Meyer is the only man on earth that could possibly be successful at Ohio State? You mentioned John Cooper PTSD for those who experienced his tenure. Cooper's tenure was the torturous end 34-year drought. A drought that lasted longer than you've been alive. Yes, Ryan Day or the next up-and-comer du jour might have more success than UFM at tOSU but those are fool's odds.
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And I once again assert that's the implication made whenever people bring up spooky cautionary tales to anyone not scared shitless of Urban's inevitable departure. Ten years ago there were people that wanted Jim Tressel gone after two embarrassing NC losses and there were people that thought that was insane because he dominated Michigan and no one would be able to replicate his success. Both groups were wrong, unique situation with Urban's hire or not.

Whether his successor is as good or not is irrelevant, at some point Urban won't be a GOAT-level coach anymore and the next guy doesn't have to be as good as prime Urban, he has to be as good as the rest of the field. The Miamis and Tennessees of the world making god awful hires doesn't make that improbable.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
You saw Earle be able to take a roster Woody underachieved with and almost win a NC his first year.
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We also saw the years afterwards. It isn't "coach as strategist" or "game day coach", it's "coach as total system". Bruce was not able to recruit as well as Meyer, who is one of the best. The name Ohio State does not guarantee 5-star talent, and even when a coach can make that happen, he can be the look on John Cooper's face against TSUN. For those who mention him, Ryan Day is not that guy yet in his career.

I am not spooked out. I am realistic. All of the attractions of coaching at Ohio State have been here for a very long time, even since Paul Brown. Look at what coaches were able to do. Look at the objective evidence. When this ends, Ohio State will take a step back because Meyer is the type of guy who will leave when he becomes the reason the program is taking a step back.
 
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I take a look around at once proud programs who have struggled for years or are currently struggling now and it sends chills down my spine to think of Urban going anywhere. SCUM has been irrelevant for damn near 20 years. Alabama had a long period of irrelevancy until Saban came along. Texas has been trying to regain their relevance ever since Mac Brown was canned. Notre Dame has done jack shit save for a handful of years since what, the 80s? Nebraska is a laughing stock. USC has been abject garbage since Pete Carroll left. Meanwhile, save for a handful of down years, Ohio State has been relevant almost ever since I was born. I honestly shutter to think what this program could become if we made the wrong hire. We already got a preview of what could happen if the wrong hire was made during the 2011 season. I want Urban to coach as long as humanely possible. Do I want him to make changes to his staff? Hell yes! Tweaks to his system? Hell yes although we seem to be in the midst of a transition period now with Dwayne Haskins. Do I want him gone? No fucking way. There are many fanbases around the college football world who ran off good coaches thinking the grass is always greener on the other side. The only coach who is objectively better than Meyer right now is Saban, and quite frankly I don't know if Saban could ever reach the heights he has at Alabama if he actually had to play by the rules.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
I have said before that the next guy doesn't have to be better than Urban (and he almost certainly won't be), he just has to be better than his peers. Saban isn't staying forever and OSU (should) always be able to field a championship caliber program.

Another positive is the short term boost almost any new coach brings to a program after the last guy had been there about 10 years or so. Coaching fatigue (players just starting to tune a staff out) is a very real thing imo.

You saw Earle be able to take a roster Woody underachieved with and almost win a NC his first year.
Tressel won a NC his 2nd year with Coopers players
Urban goes undefeated with a team fully inherited in 2012.

I have no fear about the next coach but I certainly don't want to see Urban go.


But maybe that's just my PTSD talking
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Just dropped by to say, if you move to Ohio, you can get a prescription of marijuana for that PTSD.
 
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