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ttun Shenanigans and Arguments (2017 official thread)

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ORD_Buckeye said:
Doesn't Harbaugh have three classes on the team right now: freshmen, sophomores and juniors?
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He came on at the tail end of the 2015 class and landed 9 recruits:

*** DE Reuben Jones (does not play)
*** RB Karan Higdon (least mediocre of a pile of mediocre RBs)
**** DE Shelton Johnson (does not play)
**** TE Tyrone Wheatley, Jr (Blocking TE)
**** QB Alex Malzone (Hoke commit, re-affirmed to harbrau, apparently 4th or 5th on the depth chart)
**** QB Zach Gentry (moved to TE, appears talented, but nobody can get him the ball)
** OL Nolan Ulizio (briefly a starter at RT, was terrible, benched)
*** ATH Keith Washington (washed out, now at a JC in Mississippi)
*** WR Grant Perry (starter at WR, pretty mediocre)


So he wrangled 3 starters (Higdon/Perry/Gentry) in that group, Ulizio was briefly a starter, but was godawful. None of those starters appear to be all-conference types. Just starters. 4 guys do not play or transferred.

So far, from his decorated 2016 class (ranked 4th nationally), he has 7 starters (DT- Gary, K- Nordin, DB- L. Hill, OG- Bredeson, OG- Onwenu, DB- Hudson, DB- Metellus, LB- Bush. Gary is approaching GerbiLLL-level hype vs production; Nordin is a very good K, though he did miss a PAT vs the pedtards; Bredeson and Onwenu are part of a terrible OL; DBs Hill, Hudson and Metellus aren't doing anything to distinguish themselves; Bush is the one guy that may be all-conference worthy. Of the rest of that 28-man class, they have 4 other contributors: WR- Eddie McDoom (gadget player, little impact), DB- David Long (reserve DB), TE Sean McKeon (part-time TE), RB Chris Evans (terrible this year). Worth noting this class contained Brandon Peters who mgoblog gave the Andrew Luck treatment after this spring. He apparently isn't good enough to unseat the mediocre John Navarre Wilton Speight, or play over the terrible John O'Korn and his 106.9 qbr. Many are calling for him to play as they're writing this season off and want him to gain experience.

His 2017 class was again 4th nationally, but largely because it totaled 30 commitments. So far from that class, he has one starter. Two WRs contribute, Tarik Black (starter, was their best WR before getting hurt), and DPJ, who probably could have used a RS, but they're so bad off there, they have to throw him out there when he's very raw (10 catches through 7 games). DB Ambry Thomas has played. A couple others have as well, but not much contribution from them.

So, most of his success in 2015-16 was on the back of Hoke recruits. This season, the lineup is beginning to take on a more harbrau-flavor, and they are a shit show on offense, particularly at qb and on the OL, where they expected the most improvement with their savior. But they continue to blame Hoke's recruiting. Most noteworthy is that the "QB whisperer" won 10 games in 2015 with a grad transfer and 10 last year with a Hoke recruit. This year, they're in crisis at the position as the Hoke-qb is hurt, and none of harbrau's qbs are apparently ready despite having 3 (Malzone) and 2 (Peters) years in the program. How many programs have won a ton of games with RS-FR QBs? The answer? A lot. But Harbrau can't. Interesting.
 
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NFBuck said:
He came on at the tail end of the 2015 class and landed 9 recruits:

*** DE Reuben Jones (does not play)
*** RB Karan Higdon (least mediocre of a pile of mediocre RBs)
**** DE Shelton Johnson (does not play)
**** TE Tyrone Wheatley, Jr (Blocking TE)
**** QB Alex Malzone (Hoke commit, re-affirmed to harbrau, apparently 4th or 5th on the depth chart)
**** QB Zach Gentry (moved to TE, appears talented, but nobody can get him the ball)
** OL Nolan Ulizio (briefly a starter at RT, was terrible, benched)
*** ATH Keith Washington (washed out, now at a JC in Mississippi)
*** WR Grant Perry (starter at WR, pretty mediocre)


So he wrangled 3 starters (Higdon/Perry/Gentry) in that group, Ulizio was briefly a starter, but was godawful. None of those starters appear to be all-conference types. Just starters. 4 guys do not play or transferred.

So far, from his decorated 2016 class (ranked 4th nationally), he has 7 starters (DT- Gary, K- Nordin, DB- L. Hill, OG- Bredeson, OG- Onwenu, DB- Hudson, DB- Metellus, LB- Bush. Gary is approaching GerbiLLL-level hype vs production; Nordin is a very good K, though he did miss a PAT vs the pedtards; Bredeson and Onwenu are part of a terrible OL; DBs Hill, Hudson and Metellus aren't doing anything to distinguish themselves; Bush is the one guy that may be all-conference worthy. Of the rest of that 28-man class, they have 4 other contributors: WR- Eddie McDoom (gadget player, little impact), DB- David Long (reserve DB), TE Sean McKeon (part-time TE), RB Chris Evans (terrible this year). Worth noting this class contained Brandon Peters who mgoblog gave the Andrew Luck treatment after this spring. He apparently isn't good enough to unseat the mediocre John Navarre Wilton Speight, or play over the terrible John O'Korn and his 106.9 qbr. Many are calling for him to play as they're writing this season off and want him to gain experience.

His 2017 class was again 4th nationally, but largely because it totaled 30 commitments. So far from that class, he has one starter. Two WRs contribute, Tarik Black (starter, was their best WR before getting hurt), and DPJ, who probably could have used a RS, but they're so bad off there, they have to throw him out there when he's very raw (10 catches through 7 games). DB Ambry Thomas has played. A couple others have as well, but not much contribution from them.

So, most of his success in 2015-16 was on the back of Hoke recruits. This season, the lineup is beginning to take on a more harbrau-flavor, and they are a [Mark May] show on offense, particularly at qb and on the OL, where they expected the most improvement with their savior. But they continue to blame Hoke's recruiting. Most noteworthy is that the "QB whisperer" won 10 games in 2015 with a grad transfer and 10 last year with a Hoke recruit. This year, they're in crisis at the position as the Hoke-qb is hurt, and none of harbrau's qbs are apparently ready despite having 3 (Malzone) and 2 (Peters) years in the program. How many programs have won a ton of games with RS-FR QBs? The answer? A lot. But Harbrau can't. Interesting.
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Lucky for them Harbaugh has such a monster recruiting class going this year.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Lucky for them Harbaugh has such a monster recruiting class going this year.
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NFBuck said:
He came on at the tail end of the 2015 class and landed 9 recruits:

*** DE Reuben Jones (does not play)
*** RB Karan Higdon (least mediocre of a pile of mediocre RBs)
**** DE Shelton Johnson (does not play)
**** TE Tyrone Wheatley, Jr (Blocking TE)
**** QB Alex Malzone (Hoke commit, re-affirmed to harbrau, apparently 4th or 5th on the depth chart)
**** QB Zach Gentry (moved to TE, appears talented, but nobody can get him the ball)
** OL Nolan Ulizio (briefly a starter at RT, was terrible, benched)
*** ATH Keith Washington (washed out, now at a JC in Mississippi)
*** WR Grant Perry (starter at WR, pretty mediocre)


So he wrangled 3 starters (Higdon/Perry/Gentry) in that group, Ulizio was briefly a starter, but was godawful. None of those starters appear to be all-conference types. Just starters. 4 guys do not play or transferred.

So far, from his decorated 2016 class (ranked 4th nationally), he has 7 starters (DT- Gary, K- Nordin, DB- L. Hill, OG- Bredeson, OG- Onwenu, DB- Hudson, DB- Metellus, LB- Bush. Gary is approaching GerbiLLL-level hype vs production; Nordin is a very good K, though he did miss a PAT vs the pedtards; Bredeson and Onwenu are part of a terrible OL; DBs Hill, Hudson and Metellus aren't doing anything to distinguish themselves; Bush is the one guy that may be all-conference worthy. Of the rest of that 28-man class, they have 4 other contributors: WR- Eddie McDoom (gadget player, little impact), DB- David Long (reserve DB), TE Sean McKeon (part-time TE), RB Chris Evans (terrible this year). Worth noting this class contained Brandon Peters who mgoblog gave the Andrew Luck treatment after this spring. He apparently isn't good enough to unseat the mediocre John Navarre Wilton Speight, or play over the terrible John O'Korn and his 106.9 qbr. Many are calling for him to play as they're writing this season off and want him to gain experience.

His 2017 class was again 4th nationally, but largely because it totaled 30 commitments. So far from that class, he has one starter. Two WRs contribute, Tarik Black (starter, was their best WR before getting hurt), and DPJ, who probably could have used a RS, but they're so bad off there, they have to throw him out there when he's very raw (10 catches through 7 games). DB Ambry Thomas has played. A couple others have as well, but not much contribution from them.

So, most of his success in 2015-16 was on the back of Hoke recruits. This season, the lineup is beginning to take on a more harbrau-flavor, and they are a [Mark May] show on offense, particularly at qb and on the OL, where they expected the most improvement with their savior. But they continue to blame Hoke's recruiting. Most noteworthy is that the "QB whisperer" won 10 games in 2015 with a grad transfer and 10 last year with a Hoke recruit. This year, they're in crisis at the position as the Hoke-qb is hurt, and none of harbrau's qbs are apparently ready despite having 3 (Malzone) and 2 (Peters) years in the program. How many programs have won a ton of games with RS-FR QBs? The answer? A lot. But Harbrau can't. Interesting.
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Ive heard that the McCaffrey kid could revive the program...
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
The brief version....

Sam McGuffie = Noel Devine
Mike Shaw = fast, fast, fast! (not that speed matters, of course)
Darryl Stonum = Braylon Edwards or Mario Manningham (maybe better than both!)
Dann O'Neill (who?) = "impact left tackle"
Ricky Barnum = "late steal" (from whom? Rutgers? Purdue? MAC school?)
Mike Martin = "low downside, moderate upside" (they actually underrated him - he turned out to be the only star of the class)
Taylor Hill (again, who?) = "edge terror"
Boubacar Cissoko = "a perfect corner"
Brandon Smith = "moderately shirtless" (yes, that's what they said - you figure it out if you can)
Terrelle Pryor = still unsigned (please, please, please, please....)
"And the two slot guys are exciting, man." (their emphasis, not mine)

Overall grade = B+
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Just wait, you'll see.
 
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James Franklin takes a backhanded swipe at scUM:

They will also have to deal with a Penn State team that’s not nearly as beaten up coming off the Michigan game as most people probably expected.

Franklin said, “That helped that it wasn’t Iowa where it was this emotional draining and physically draining game all the way up until the last second. So I think that there’s value in that as well.”
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One of their best commits in the '18 class, and a player at a position of serious need, OL Emil Ekiyor (4*, #105 247 Composite) is apparently on the verge of de-committing. Rough couple of weeks for the weasels.

http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/emil-ekiyor-verge-decommitting

I always love these posts:

He visits this site often and reads regularly about how awful the OL is here and how the coaches are all dog shit. He finally agrees with us guys. Congratulations.
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Yeah, no way he came to that conclusion by actually, you know, watching the games. Some message board bastards got to him! :lol:
 
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NFBuck said:
One of their best commits in the '18 class, and a player at a position of serious need, OL Emil Ekiyor (4*, #105 247 Composite) is apparently on the verge of de-committing. Rough couple of weeks for the weasels.

http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/emil-ekiyor-verge-decommitting

I always love these posts:


Yeah, no way he came to that conclusion by actually, you know, watching the games. Some message board bastards got to him! :lol:
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It's not a small class. Webb
It's not a small class. Webb says he expects it to go to 22. That is an average sized class. In fact OSU signed the #2 class in the country last year with 21 commits.
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:slappy:
 
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