Fuck Bill Martin. I'm surprised Ohio St or MSU hasn't built a statue of that goofy bastard.
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Fuck Bill Martin. I'm surprised Ohio St or MSU hasn't built a statue of that goofy bastard.
WolverineMike
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Lloyd Carr did less with more talent then any other coach in college football. I really wish Gary Moeller wouldn't have been such a moron and gotten himself fired.
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jakenick06
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That's harsh considering he's responsible for the only 1/2 National Title in the last 70 years
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WolverineMike
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He lost way more games that he should have won than anyone. It's not harsh, it's reality. He has some amazing talent on his teams and managed to lose plenty of games they had no business losing over the years.
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Historical comparisons are never exact but in many ways Carr was the tsun equivalent of Earl. Both took over the machine that Bo/Woody had created and had a good run for a while but at the end things were falling apart. Both consistently did less with some pretty remarkable talent.
Keeping that line of thinking going then, the incredibly ironic part is you could point to Cooper as the the reason why OSU was ultimately more successful than tsun post Woody/Bo. The argument can be made he was the bridge to Tressel and Urban by way of the success he (mostly) had whereas tsun has made a succession of errors and may or may not be on their way back up.
It does reinforce my belief that any moderately blue blooded football program is one good hire away from relevance. This must be true because the opposite is true; even the blue blooded program are one bad hire away from mediocrity.
Keeping that line of thinking going then, the incredibly ironic part is you could point to Cooper as the the reason why OSU was ultimately more successful than tsun post Woody/Bo. The argument can be made he was the bridge to Tressel and Urban by way of the success he (mostly) had whereas tsun has made a succession of errors and may or may not be on their way back up.
It does reinforce my belief that any moderately blue blooded football program is one good hire away from relevance. This must be true because the opposite is true; even the blue blooded program are one bad hire away from mediocrity.
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I tend to agree with this, but to take your last point a step further. A good coach hire can only go so far, he needs the backing of the admin to truly make a big difference. Richt in Miami will be interesting to watch, as a pretty good coach went from an insanely rabid fanbase with admin that are gung ho for foosball, to a bandwagon fanbase that hardly shows up to games and admin and alum with limited funds for facilities and recruits constantly being poached. Harbrau has the full support of scUM admin, because at this point they're utterly desperate after 2 terrible hires
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WolverineMike
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Sounds like he agrees with me that Lloyd did less with more.........Maybe I should buy a lottery ticket tonight!!!!
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Be sure to play 34-32...since those are the numbers that ultimately made this unthinkable moment happen.
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Well to be clear, Lllllllllloyd had good talent (more so in his early years than late) just like Earl.
By the end the guys they were trumpeting as superstars were vastly overrated (a certain cyclist comes to mind).
I don't know that I have ever argued that the man who lost to Appy State didn't underachieve.
I wouldn't read too much into it cock breath.
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HorseshoeFetish
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I wouldn't read too much into it cock breath.
Just another reason this place is so special. :cheers:
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