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tOSU vs. USC 08 & 09 series

Wells4Heisman;905109; said:
Definitely gonna have to get tickets for 09 since its at the shoe.... If the atmosphere is the same as the 05' Texas game then were in for a real treat.
And I think both of the games will be fantastic.
I think the buildup to this game will have even more hype than the Texas series because of the traditional match-ups between tOSU and USC... these two teams have not played since 1990 which was the second game in a home and away series (both of which USC won :().
 
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bkochmc;905233; said:
... these two teams have not played since 1990 which was the second game in a home and away series (both of which USC won :().

That wasn't exactly a high point in the history of OSU football though... both teams should be at the top of their games going into this new series, should be pretty amazing games.
 
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1984/85 Rose? Southern California 20, Ohio State 17:(
1979/80 Rose? Southern California 17, Ohio State 16:(
1974/75 Rose? Southern California 18, Ohio State 17:(
1973/74 Rose? Ohio State 42, Southern California 21:osu:
1972/73 Rose? Southern California 42, Ohio State 17:(
1968/69 Rose? Ohio State 27, Southern California 16:osu:
1954/55 Rose? Ohio State 20, Southern California 7:osu:
 
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As much as it hurts me to not predict OSU winning both games, I think that the winner will be the home team in both games....despite having such a talented 08 class they will have little impact on the game just becaue of the enviroment and relative inexperience (it'll only be their 3rd college games)....but SC better watch their asses in 09 especially if Beanie decides to stick around for another year
 
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DA WATCHER;906475; said:
JOE McKNIGHT IS THE ONLY THING TO WORRY ABOUT WITH USC.

Well beyond your obvious inability to hit your capslock button you are wrong with this statement as well. USC is pretty loaded with weapons, not to mention they have pretty good recruits in almost all positions. If you're one of those people that think "They aren't that good" then you really should take a look at their record, out of conference and in bowl games, under Pete Carroll.

I live in the heart of USC land, so that gives me a lot more exposure to the fans and alum then I am really comfortable with. I get to see what they have and usually attend one game a year with friends, the speed that team moves at and how well they execute is scary. I may not like them, but I would hardly say there's only one thing to "worry about."

If I was going to say there's only one thing to "worry about." that would be head coach Pete Carroll.
 
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7Brutus7;907803; said:
As much as it hurts me to not predict OSU winning both games, I think that the winner will be the home team in both games....despite having such a talented 08 class they will have little impact on the game just becaue of the enviroment and relative inexperience (it'll only be their 3rd college games)....but SC better watch their asses in 09 especially if Beanie decides to stick around for another year
I am going to disagree there. PC has shown the tendency of actively engaging students to leave or stay with the QB. Thats why in 2005, there were a slew of juniors that turned pro, while only Jarrett turned pro after 2006. If he keeps that up, a lot of their junior starters are going to go pro this year. Which means that 2008 might be our year, even if the game is played in LA.
 
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It's early on, but I think we can safely say that it will depend a lot on juniors leaving. For us, if Gholston, Jenkins, and Lauranitis all went pro, our chances would obviously be greatly lowered... If one or more of them stayed, that would obviously raise our chances by a lot.. Same deal with 'SC. They have a whole lot of talent, but I expect both games to be real, real close.
 
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Besides your comment on the caps. PC total record at USC is 65-12. The Mighty Tressel resume isn't so far off with 62-14. Joe MCKnight is no joke SIR. He made Brain Cushing, Keith Rivers, and Rey Manuluga miss him a couple of times. Of course he was put on his back as much. Either way as a freshman... That speaks volumes with the talent USC has. All three of those guys probably will be All-Americans and go pro. Look what Northern Illinois RB did without USC's line against AJ, Bobby, and Anthony. USC is okay. Overrated a bit, but decent. They did lose to UCLA and Oregon State... and I believe there both weren't in the top 25... Also... (Texas VS USC) 41-38 in 2006 NC game. OSU lost by the same amount of points with equal hype around the game. EVERYBODY was watching... So please, do your research with more of you're friends and alum from USC. :osu:
 
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DA WATCHER;909431; said:
Besides your comment on the caps. PC total record at USC is 65-12. The Mighty Tressel resume isn't so far off with 62-14. Joe MCKnight is no joke SIR. He made Brain Cushing, Keith Rivers, and Rey Manuluga miss him a couple of times. Of course he was put on his back as much. Either way as a freshman... That speaks volumes with the talent USC has. All three of those guys probably will be All-Americans and go pro. Look what Northern Illinois RB did without USC's line against AJ, Bobby, and Anthony. USC is okay. Overrated a bit, but decent. They did lose to UCLA and Oregon State... and I believe there both weren't in the top 25... Also... (Texas VS USC) 41-38 in 2006 NC game. OSU lost by the same amount of points with equal hype around the game. EVERYBODY was watching... So please, do your research with more of you're friends and alum from USC. :osu:

Ehhh, I didn't really say that McKnight was a joke at all, I said that USC has a lot of weapons. Sanchez in the wing, who played school in my local area, is a beast that's waiting in the wings. There's always a lot of recruits that Pete Carroll gets, and he uses them well. He's lost games, but it's more like USC has lost them rather than they have been beaten. Texas they fell into the same trap as us, they didn't quite choke them out when they had the chance. Oregon State and UCLA both they played relaxed and then failed to catch up, it's arrogance, but stuff like that just works as speech material and video tape to make sure it doesn't happen again.

I didn't say they would lose or anything like that, I said Pete Carroll will be prepared, he's got tons of weapons, not just one.
 
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I have a friend that bartends downtown in Columbus. An O-linemen talked with him a few days after the NC game against the gators and said "We all just thought we were gonna win". Arrogance is never going to leave a young mans mind. Your on top, your the shit, bulletproof, nobody can beat us kinda thing... Its part of a thing called mind set. Your demeanor, performance, and manner are all based on skill level. If your #1 who wouldn't get a small head on there shoulders? So using arrogance as an excuse to "defend' USC is redundant. Because nobody, when at the top of there game, will ever feel fragile.
 
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2008: Ohio State @ Southern Cal

Sorry if there is already a thread, but I searched "USC" and "Southern Cal" and didn't see one. Anyways, what are you guys' thoughts on the game? They are very solid this year and it's at their place, but I definitely feel we have a very legit shot at this one. Here's why:

- They have an experienced D this year, but it is also littered with SRs that won't be there next year and JRs that could easily make the jump to the NFL.
SRs: DE Lawrence Jackson, DT Sedrick Ellis, LB Keith Rivers, CB Terrell Thomas.
JRs: DE Kyle Moore, DT Fili Moala, LBs Brian Cushing and Rey Maualuga, CB Cary Harris, S Keivn Ellison.

- No Booty, and I am sure we all remember the last time we played a team (Texas) at their place (in Austin) the year after they lost a big time QB to the pros (Vince Young).

- No Fred Davis and they lose their 2 starting OT (Sam Baker-should be an early draft pick and Drew Radovich). Two other players who go go pro: WR Patrick Turner and OG Jeff Byers.

- Needless to say, they could lose A LOT and although they have recruited mightily well the past few years, so have we and, IMO, we control some matchups:

QB: Todd Boeckman vs. Mark Sanchez
Edge: Ohio State
If skills are even, experience alone Boeckman wins out. Sanchez was a stud in HS, but do his skills translate to the next level. He has been sitting for a while and probably knows the offense by now, but Todd, after going through a whole year playing under the system and spending 4 years learning it, I would give the edge to Boeckman here.

RB: Chris Wells, Brandon Saine & Maurice Wells vs. C.J. Gable, Joe McKnight & Stafon Johnson
Edge: slight Ohio State
Man child Chris Wells and speedfreaks Brandon Saine and Maurice Wells could make up the best backfield int he country by year's end and for it to carry over into next season would be icing. All three will be back without a doubt. IMO, Joe McKnight is the wildcard here, and possibly Brandon Green as well to be the bigback ala LenDale White. McKnight has been injured and hasn't been able to show much yet, but Stafon Johnson has shown well so far and Gable proved he's a good one all of last year. I think it all comes down too the proven Ohio State RBs vs. the talented stable of Southern Cal.

WR: Brian Robiskie, Brian Hartline & Ray Small vs. Patrick Turner, Vidal Hazelton & Ron Johnson
Edge: slight Southern Cal
No homerism here, as both teams have unbelievable depth, but I just am not sure Ohio State has the type of WRs that scare other teams. We will see what Turner does after the season, and if he goes pro he is then replaced by Sophomore WR David Ausberry in this grouping and would either make this a push call or maybe even advantage Ohio State. It should all depend on who steps up from the young guys on each team. Ronald Johnson is going to be a star at the college level, makr my words, but I think everybody already knew that.

TE/OL: Edge: push
Ohio State will probably have the advantage in experience, but both teams have solid guys to fill in for the departing SRs. Ohio State has the Block O coming in, but the Trojans have possibly the best young Center int he country in Kris O'Dowd and a great LG in Jeff Byers. Ohio State will have SR LT Alex Boone, SR RT/LG Steve Rehring, and JR RG Ben Person. Both teams use the TE in different ways, so it iskind of hard to compare the two, so I won't. We all know what we get out of Jake Ballard, who was given the top OL recognition by the staff the last 2 weeks for being such a tremendous blocker, and epitomizes what an Ohio State TE is. Southern Cal loses their top 2 TEs to graduation (Fred Davis and Dale Thompson), but do have a young Anthoy McCoy to step in. McCoy was a 4 star coming out of HS and already as a TD catch on the season.

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DE: Lawrence Wilson & Rob Rose/Cam Heyward vs. Kyle Moore & Eversen Griffen
DT: Doug Worthington & Todd Denlinger vs. Fili Moala & Averell Spicer
Edge: Ohio State
Assuming Ohio State takes a big hit in losing Vernon Gholston to the pros and Lawrence Wilson comes back healthy and ready to go, Ohio State could still have, much like the RB situation, the top DE combination in the country next year. Southern Cal will lose sack artist Lawrence Jackson, but Kyle Moore will have experience as a SR and Eversen Griffen is a specimen. Where I give Ohio State the slight edge is overall across the line, as the Bucks will return almost all of their DLmen. Tressel likes to rotate his DLmen a lot, giving each valuale experience and allowing them to get a feel for the game. Pete Carroll will be losing his two best to graduation.

LB: James Laurinaitis, Thad Gibson & Ross Homan/Marcus Freeman vs. Brian Cushing, Rey Maualuge & Kaluka Maiava
Edge: push
No doubt James Laurinaitis is an absolute "Animal" on the field, but so was Keith Rivers and he will not be back for USC, although Laurinaitis could also declare as a JR. Ohio State gains some speed with Gibson on the field, so the departure of Larry Grant should be felt as much even though he is a great player. Homan has shown signs of life this year, as well as making a very athletic player year in picking off a pass against Northwestern, and could push SR Marcus Freeman for his starting job. The reason I call this a push is with Brian Cushing and Rey Maulauga for Southern Cal. They are experienced at their positions and are a couple of sure tacklers as well. Both schools have depth, but the entrance of Maiava for Rivers could make USC fans a bit nervous, as he has not been credited for a tackle yet this year. The adv/disadv. here will depend a lot on who declares for the NFL and who doesn't.

CB: Chimdi Chekwa & Donald Washington vs. Cary Harris & Shareece Wright
SAF: Kurt Coleman & Anderson Russell vs. Taylor Mays & Kevin Ellison
Edge: Southern Cal
Don't get me wrong, I love our secondary, but I just think that Southern Cal could have the best in the country next year. USC's safties are big, really big, but so are Ohio State's corners when comapre to the average size across the board. USC's Mays and Ellison are both 6'2" 215+ and reserve Josh Pinkard, although out this year with an injury similar to OSU's Anderson Russell in 2006, will return and he has the same measureables. Ohio State has playmakers too, but the loss of Malcolm Jenkins hurts. Both squads have excellent, yong talent to take the place of their departing CBs (OSU: Jenkins- possible early draft entry, USC: Terrell Thomas) in Chimdi Chekwa for Ohio State and Shareece Wright for Southern Cal, and both of these guys are getting excellent, quality PT this year as well to get them ready. Ohio State also has reserve Soph DB Eugene Clifford who has the staff and fans excited about his future at the CB position and should be the Nickelback, or "Star" position, next year... and we all how much the staff like to run this defense.

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So, after review, that's:

Ohio State: QB, RB(slight), DL, overall experience
Souther Cal: WR(slight), DB, home game/fan support
Push: TE/OL, LB​

I know it's early early, and a lot of this will depend on how each team's depth performs the rest of them, as well as who leaves early for the NFL. However, this is how I see it right now. Any questions or comments are more than welcomed. NOTE: the fan support edge went to USC for the simple fact it is at their place and, although Ohio State ALWAYS travels well, it's in Cali and they will have their students present.​

Also, I must say that I do not know much about Southern Cal, just what i have read and the little I have seen them play, so any USC experts (wstripes, methomps, etc.) can chime in too.​
 
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