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tOSU vs. ND, from an Irish Fan

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NDIrish0824 said:
o man.... it was shaping up to be a great college football day. Oregon rolled, Clemson lost, LSU looked like they could choke, things were just falling into place. I am still really struggling to make of this game. Some have said it was a great game, hard hits, good defense, tough offenses. Others have said it was boring and unwatchable and both teams are highly over rated. I really think these are 2 very good teams and if they play 10 times, it may be a 5/5 split, they have different strengths, but are pretty evenly matched, which isn't something that you can always say about ND teams. ND choked at the end, plain and simple, but I can come back to that. Just to get it out of the way, I know Day was probably caught up in the moment, but felt like his attack on Lou Holtz was unnecessary and a little weird. Look, i am no Holtz lover, i think hes a good coach, who had a good team, but I also think he is an as$hole. The idea that all ND coaches should model themselves off of him is ridiculous. I know he is old and has trouble speaking, but trying to be completely unbiased and neutral, i don't think anything he said was that bad. If Day wanted to address it fine, but to make it your main comment after winning a game like that... was puzzling. Ill call it the Deon effect where everything is a personal attack and we field the need to defend ourselves on every little comments. It was just weird that he felt the need to defend that in that moment.

But anyway, back to the game. Ill speak more about ND because i feel like i can evaluate them better. But i thought they generally played well. Both teams had 4th down plays stopped, few penalties, stats were pretty close. Generally, i thought the refs did a poor job. Not sure how a holding got switched to a PI during a review? A lot of missed calls, but i feel like they were missed on both teams. I always say you miss 80% of the penalties your team commits but see 150% of the ones the other team commits. Wasn't a game that came down to kickers or a stupid penalty, etc. It was just a hard fought game down to the end. ND was not overmatched and if they played again, i don't think they would be in that match up either. Without watching tOSU play all season, i didn't see much that indicated that ND didn't get there best shot. There weren't drops or things like that. They played ND with everything and won. I say this cautiously, but feel like ND left a little bit in the locker room that they could have shown. They were a little to cautious and I've seen them do some things better than they did on Saturday. Which is why i would feel good with a rematch.

But anyway, down to the last 5 min. I was losing it when ND stopped the sweep on the 4th and 1. I can only imagine that you all were losing it as well and potentially slamming Day for calling such a play. I really felt like ND had a chance to win the game, and by all account, they should have. I did not have a problem with the screen pass, if he throws that 6" higher, ND wins the game. Its a high percentage play and other than 1 player, seemed like it may have caught tOSU off guard. That DE made a great play though. Yes it stopped the clock, yes it was risky, but you can't win games like this being safe. All the talk about saving the time out and the 10 sec. runoff and all that, no one has any idea how the game would have played out with a different play being called. Every play after that could have been different if ND just handed it off. May Hartman fumbles it and someone dives for the ball and breaks his leg, who knows. I know thats extreme, but my point is, you can debate if that was a good or bad call, but you can't really assume that every play after that would have been the same if ND rushed it, got 2 yards and forced you to use a timeout. Every play that you guys ran would have been different, who knows.

But when they punted, i started to feel really bad. The dropped interception killed me and i really felt like tOSU was going to find a way to win at that point, just felt it. I don't know if you guys saw that there were 10 on the field, or would have ran something different if there were 11, but that was a terrible moment for ND. Im not sure if i believe that freeman saw it or not. A penalty and moving the ball 6" closer seems like it would have been far better than 10 guys on the field, it may have just been a moment of panic. Hes a young coach and somewhere, he messed up.

But nice job to the buckeyes, good luck the rest of the year, despite the loss, i feel better about this team moving forward and think that a 10-2 record is completely reasonable, and 11-1 is not out of the question.
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Lou was unfortunately the latest in a long line of people calling OSU soft for the better part of two plus years now.

Hopefully Coach Day reaches out to him to make things right. After the season of course. I want my salty Coach Day for the remainder of the season ....
 
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I guess one question, who blew more chances? ND missed a field goal, 2 4th downs, 3 int chances. OSU had 2 4th downs for sure, i would need to rewatch after that.

ND really seemed to control the 2nd half (minus the last 4 min ha). I mean henderson had that long 61 yard run, outside of that, nothing till the end. I guess was there a point where you felt like ND had it, or were you honestly confident the entire time that OSU would find a way?
 
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zbuck said:
Lou was unfortunately the latest in a long line of people calling OSU soft for the better part of two plus years now.

Hopefully Coach Day reaches out to him to make things right. After the season of course. I want my salty Coach Day for the remainder of the season ....
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Day was kind not to mention the NCAA carnage Holtz left behind at 4 colleges, including Notre Dame. He owes Holtz nothing.
 
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NDIrish0824 said:
I dont think he owes him anything, just think it was a bad look and completely unnecessary and a little childish.
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Depends on your viewpoint. Perhaps the players and other coaches thought it was necessary. He didn't go on tv and cuss up a storm and punch the the reporter after the game. He said his peace and honestly it didn't effect anyone in this world. To each their own. Personally, I am more of a "lion doesn't care about the opinion of sheep" but I could care less that he said it or if he wouldn't have said it.
 
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NDIrish0824 said:
I guess one question, who blew more chances? ND missed a field goal, 2 4th downs, 3 int chances. OSU had 2 4th downs for sure, i would need to rewatch after that.

ND really seemed to control the 2nd half (minus the last 4 min ha). I mean henderson had that long 61 yard run, outside of that, nothing till the end. I guess was there a point where you felt like ND had it, or were you honestly confident the entire time that OSU would find a way?
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I'd be surprised to find a single OSU fan that was confident at any point. I still expected Josh Proctor to come flying in out of nowhere on the last play of the came and completely whiff, giving ND an 11 lateral touchdown.

We had a couple dropped INTs as well. The.....*cough*......penalty after a first down on our OLineman that ended a promising drive. Dropped TD by Egbuka (initially called a TD). I think most of ND's blown chances came late, so they felt like they meant more.
 
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NDIrish0824 said:
I guess one question, who blew more chances? ND missed a field goal, 2 4th downs, 3 int chances. OSU had 2 4th downs for sure, i would need to rewatch after that.

ND really seemed to control the 2nd half (minus the last 4 min ha). I mean henderson had that long 61 yard run, outside of that, nothing till the end. I guess was there a point where you felt like ND had it, or were you honestly confident the entire time that OSU would find a way?
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I wasn't confident really at any point...I celebrated the big plays all while knowing we were more than capable of giving up the lead, and we did. Both sides had missed opportunities and that is college football really. That game went our way by a matter of inches, but really well fought game by ND and one to remember for the ages. ND will have a great season and should be proud of that effort, they played solid, clean football for 60 minutes...shit just crumbles the other way sometimes (ask us after the UGA loss in the playoffs last year).
 
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NDIrish0824 said:
I dont think he owes him anything, just think it was a bad look and completely unnecessary and a little childish.
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The same could be said about Holtz's comments. Were they not in the same vein? Basically he was saying Day is a bad coach, and that his players are soft. Why are both not childish? Is OSU just supposed to be a punching bag all the time?

Now, with that, I expect Day to act with a little more discretion from now on, and class. Some of what came out was internal frustration. He may have gone a little too far.

Also, Day is lucky that the narrative did not continue. However, I think this may lead to more of a bully attitude from here on out, which selfishly this program sorely needs.
 
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RB07OSU said:
I wasn't confident really at any point...I celebrated the big plays all while knowing we were more than capable of giving up the lead, and we did. Both sides had missed opportunities and that is college football really. That game went our way by a matter of inches, but really well fought game by ND and one to remember for the ages. ND will have a great season and should be proud of that effort, they played solid, clean football for 60 minutes...shit just crumbles the other way sometimes (ask us after the UGA loss in the playoffs last year).
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I was confident at 00:01.
 
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Crump's brother said:
Day may have gone a touch too far, but one thing you don't do as a coach is call another team soft. Holtz knows this, it's essentially fighting words. You take a shot at a coach, ok-but that was bullshit, whether or not you believe it to be true.
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A coach up in AA called him soft a while back and he responded by taking another ass pounding. Not by showing any kind of toughness.

Now he gets fortunate enough to show his teams “toughness” against a 10 man defense (the second play, not the first mind you) and wants to talk shit after the fact.

I’m hopeful the team gets some confidence from it but Day is just an insecure millennial looking for participation trophies. I have less respect for him than I did before the hissy fit (which isn’t saying much). He was well on his way to losing this game the same way he always loses to good teams when Freeman out-Dayd him.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
A coach up in AA called him soft a while back and he responded by taking another ass pounding. Not by showing any kind of toughness.

Now he gets fortunate enough to show his teams “toughness” against a 10 man defense (the second play, not the first mind you) and wants to talk shit after the fact.

I’m hopeful the team gets some confidence from it but Day is just an insecure millennial looking for participation trophies. I have less respect for him than I did before the hissy fit (which isn’t saying much). He was well on his way to losing this game the same way he always loses to good teams when Freeman out-Dayd him.
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Man you really don’t like him. Is there a family quarrel? Capulet?
 
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