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tOSU vs. ND, from an Irish Fan

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Jaxbuck said:
I'm with you on the last part. At this point go 5 wide in every short yardage situation and make some nickel back make a play on a short slant or something similar.

Quit fucking around with trying to run it. We obviously can't (which is a whole other topic).
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Totally agree but I’m thinking at least have 4 wide with an RB.

You can run a true zone read, you can run a variety of run plays, can run speed option or even run QB power with Chip lead blocking.

Running into 11 man fronts is just bad football. Particularly if we are best when we have have space.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Funny enough, I don't get paid $10 million to answer that......but I still know the formation vs what ND lined up with, and then the motion towards the direction of where we wanted to run the ball (hint.....it was to the short side, surprise surprise).....I wasn't surprised it didn't work.

Actually, if you go back and watch, one of those fake to the FB (or to Egbuka on the end around in this case) flips to the other RB going the opposite direction would have absolutely gotten a first down, with a high likelihood that Chip actually scores on that play.

When you don't telegraph the play you're going to run with formation, personnel, and tendencies.....they sometimes work.
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Yep 90% of the time we go heavy it's toss to short side. Or off tackle left or right. That's the problem if Casual Fan A knows what your doing the D will.

I loved the pass to Cade up the seam last year on 4th and short. We missed it but it was wide the fuck open cause you got heavy and sent the right end up the seam. Hit on something like that a few times and suddenly the defensive backfield isn't coming down full bore Everytime you get heavy

And I'm going to scream the next time we motion Egbuka in tight on 3rd or 4th and short and bring another defender in the box which we will probably Next game Day loves that shit and used to do it with Wilson/Olave all the damn time.
 
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They should have a 10 personnel package with 4 or 5 go to plays that McCord can check into at the line based on coverages.

If you have Harrison, Egbuka, Fleming, Tate and Henderson on the field at the same time, there are not enough capable guys in any secondary to reliably cover that.

If you had Harrison and Tate on go routes, Egbuka and Fleming on crossing slants (one deep, one shallow) and have the RB chip and wheel and you literally just need the line to hold up for like 2 seconds and someone will beat their man.

Teams are rightfully scared shitless of Marvin. We need to exploit that. If they're going to bracket him, send him on more deep routes and stretch those two defensive players. When teams bracket him, I think Day tries too much to get the ball to Marvin before the double team rather than exploiting it to open up the shallow field for other guys.
 
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sg86 said:
They should have a 10 personnel package with 4 or 5 go to plays that McCord can check into at the line based on coverages.

If you have Harrison, Egbuka, Fleming, Tate and Henderson on the field at the same time, there are not enough capable guys in any secondary to reliably cover that.

If you had Harrison and Tate on go routes, Egbuka and Fleming on crossing slants (one deep, one shallow) and have the RB chip and wheel and you literally just need the line to hold up for like 2 seconds and someone will beat their man.

Teams are rightfully scared shitless of Marvin. We need to exploit that. If they're going to bracket him, send him on more deep routes and stretch those two defensive players. When teams bracket him, I think Day tries too much to get the ball to Marvin before the double team rather than exploiting it to open up the shallow field for other guys.
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Totally agree.

I wish we’d stick with 11 or 10 personnel regardless of the situation. Then you find successful plays from there.

The way I see it is this. Is our 2nd and 3rd string TEs one of our best 11? No they aren’t otherwise we’d run that as our base.

So then what are you doing subbing Marv and Egbuka out for them? That’s really really dumb and that’s a huge benefit to opposing teams defense.

I don’t think it’s an accident that we torched UGA by spreading them out and then struggled with NDx2 and ttun when we don’t.

For further proof, we were 1 of 6 on third down running the ball. The one time we did? We were in 11 personnel and we had 8, 18, 4 and 2 in the game with 32 next to 6. Henderson got 7 yards on that play.

If we don’t learn these lessons and open/spread out I am not optimistic we can beat Penn State or Michigan.
 
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kujirakira said:
Both Urban and Day have struggled to hire and retain good DCs.
Seems like every time we finally get one, they decide they want to fail at being a HC for some bottom tier P5 school.
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And if Knowles is indeed as good as I think he is… If I were Day I’d fully remind Knowles of that history.

If Texas AM comes calling that’s one thing but anything Sparty and worse just say no.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
I don't see very many people making note that we failed to score against a 10 man defense the play before that.

There is just no coming back from the jet sweep call on 4th and the ballgame (at the time). You can say whatever you want afterward about being tough but that was action, not words and it showed beyond a shadow of a doubt that he knows he can't run straight ahead and get a yard when he needs to.
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I think that’s a fair point on the surface. However, that play ran directly into the strength of the 10-men and away from the vacancy.

Will admit, I’m not sure that is any better.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
That's what we are all saying. You suck at running so quit trying to. Just throw the damn thing. At least you will get beat playing to your strength if you get beat.

The deeper issue is why can't Day coached teams get the tough yard when they need to? That gets to the heart of the "soft" narrative and triggered responses.

At some point, in the game of football, if you want to be an elite team, you have to be able to line up and get that tough yard even when they know you are going to do it. That ability has eroded over the past 5 years to the point of being non existent.
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The deeper issue is every team knows what we are going to do. They know we are running the ball on 3rd and short and then throwing on 4th down if we go for it.

Again, when a team knows what you’re going to do then good luck having success. We do not run a under center between the tackle type of offense. So when you ask them to do something we aren’t then no kidding there’s not success. TTUN can get that yard more often than not because that’s what they practice in the spring and in the fall. So you add it not being our identity to having limited reps doing it and also being overwhelmingly predictable and yep good luck.

Our identity is running 11 personnel and that’s what we need to do. We need to forget the downs and distance situation (not at the goal line) and call plays from our base formation that we are elite at.
 
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Captain Buckeye said:
The deeper issue is every team knows what we are going to do. They know we are running the ball on 3rd and short and then throwing on 4th down if we go for it.

Again, when a team knows what you’re going to do then good luck having success. We do not run a under center between the tackle type of offense. So when you ask them to do something we aren’t then no kidding there’s not success. TTUN can get that yard more often than not because that’s what they practice in the spring and in the fall. So you add it not being our identity to having limited reps doing it and also being overwhelmingly predictable and yep good luck.

Our identity is running 11 personnel and that’s what we need to do. We need to forget the downs and distance situation (not at the goal line) and call plays from our base formation that we are elite at.
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Right?

Pretend it's 3rd and 19 on 3rd and 3.

I watched Fryar get his ass blown a yard into the backfield on 3rd and goal in the second quarter and was just thinking that's it's nearly hopeless to keep trying to muscle the yard. That isn't who we are anymore.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Right?

Pretend it's 3rd and 19 on 3rd and 3.

I watched Fryar get his ass blown a yard into the backfield on 3rd and goal in the second quarter and was just thinking that's it's nearly hopeless to keep trying to muscle the yard. That isn't who we are anymore.
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And that’s ok… we have a physical defense and we have big backs who can run physical as well. Being physical isn’t about lining up and being ignorant. Football is physical.

If you play football at this level you’re physical. Our OL can still move people and our backs still run hard. However you have to do things that we repeatedly do at a high standard.

Also, yes. Treat 3rd and 3 like it’s 3rd and long. If we are going to limit our offense to a 3 yard window that also helps the defense. We have got to find a way to stress all areas of the field (particularly out wide) to open up the interior.
 
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Do so thoroughly enjoy Josh Pate, and his abstract of the game "It was just an elite clash between two titans" (my paraphrase, too lazy to get the exact quote...meaning it was to be expected that game plans would cancel each other out somewhat. tOSU D held their very good RB to less than 80 yards (he was NCAA leader to date), and the ND QB to less than 200 yards in the air. Was the game perfect - heck no - were big (serious) errors from both coaches (and staffs), but thought all the players left it all out on the field. On my fifth rewatch, and maybe 10th of the last 2 minutes.
 
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