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2021 tOSU Recruiting Discussion

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Guess I will put this one in here...I was rewatching some games back from 2013-2016 where we had the "Harvin" position, which of course we morphed into the names of our own players that fit that role. I am thinking we by and large see that role go away from the recruiting perspective. If you have dominant receivers and backs to fill their roles, little need for that position anymore other than the occasional play to throw off a defense. Maybe I am wrong, just my thoughts.
 
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RB07OSU said:
Guess I will put this one in here...I was rewatching some games back from 2013-2016 where we had the "Harvin" position, which of course we morphed into the names of our own players that fit that role. I am thinking we by and large see that role go away from the recruiting perspective. If you have dominant receivers and backs to fill their roles, little need for that position anymore other than the occasional play to throw off a defense. Maybe I am wrong, just my thoughts.
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I’m with you. They’ve recruited too well at defined positions for that spot to matter anymore in my opinion. This offense has reached new heights with recruiting “true” receivers and having an outstanding offensive line.

Also, i don’t ever think Ryan Day will ever recruit a quarterback that can’t throw downfield well (I don’t mind fly routes, but the ability to hit the 10-20 yard windows with precision and velocity) or one that isn’t confident/cognitive enough.

We’ve seen how badly a limited quarterback can limit the offense. I don’t Day will ever concede to not being able to throw anywhere on the field at any given time. You couldn’t do that with smaller/undefined personnel outside hence the shift.

I’m super tired so I hope that made sense and didn’t present itself as a rant.
 
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RB07OSU said:
Guess I will put this one in here...I was rewatching some games back from 2013-2016 where we had the "Harvin" position, which of course we morphed into the names of our own players that fit that role. I am thinking we by and large see that role go away from the recruiting perspective. If you have dominant receivers and backs to fill their roles, little need for that position anymore other than the occasional play to throw off a defense. Maybe I am wrong, just my thoughts.
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I agree with you.

Our running game is just too good to settle for the motion stuff anymore. As you said that stuff is best used occasionally and that's the way I think Ryan views it.

When you have a slew of pure WRs, powerful backs, and a road grating OL there's just no need for a touch pass. Especially when you develop QBs like Ryan Day.
 
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MGMT said:
I’m with you. They’ve recruited too well at defined positions for that spot to matter anymore in my opinion. This offense has reached new heights with recruiting “true” receivers and having an outstanding offensive line.

Also, i don’t ever think Ryan Day will ever recruit a quarterback that can’t throw downfield well (I don’t mind fly routes, but the ability to hit the 10-20 yard windows with precision and velocity) or one that isn’t confident/cognitive enough.

We’ve seen how badly a limited quarterback can limit the offense. I don’t Day will ever concede to not being able to throw anywhere on the field at any given time. You couldn’t do that with smaller/undefined personnel outside hence the shift.

I’m super tired so I hope that made sense and didn’t present itself as a rant.
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Absolutely, the way we have recruited QBs from Haskins and on has been amazing. I was looking back on JT and he was awesome and one of my favorite Buckeyes of all time, but he was limited in the throws he could make and that likewise limited our offense. All the QBs we are bringing in are certainly athletic, but have pro talent arms (I think all of Miller, Stroud and McCord are very athletic, but certainly pro style QBs). I really like recruiting the pure positions and the way we've moved forward on the offensive side of the ball.
 
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Re: So, how do things turn out along the defensive line? Our best guess right now is that Ohio State adds J. T. Tuimoloau and Tywon Malone to complete a ridiculously talented five-man haul. The biggest question marks right now are the same ones that every program in America is facing: when will schools be able to welcome visitors on campus and what might the NCAA do to help remedy this unplanned dead period?

Let's hope he's guessing right, those 2 guys along with Tunmise Adeleye, Jack Sawyer. and Mike Hall would be a pretty impressive DL recruiting class.....:nod:
 
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ScriptOhio said:
Let's hope he's guessing right, those 2 guys along with Tunmise Adeleye, Jack Sawyer. and Mike Hall would be a pretty impressive DL recruiting class.....:nod:
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On paper, best ever? I’m not sure any other school has ever pulled in 5 top 100 players on the DLine, including 2 in the top 5 overall.

Edit: just looked at Florida’s 2010 class. They had 3 DLinemen in the top 10.
 
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Must be from Harvard on this one, because I feel I can argue both sides of the question equally, and not make a decision (old MBA joke). My glass half-full, is that tOSU continues to build such an outstanding class, that several (some) of the remaining 5*s sign up, because a) the class is filling up now, and b) no one is sure when it's going to be OK to travel to campus again, or if there will even be a college football season. The glass half-empty is that several (some) of these recruits will decide that the grass might be greener elsewhere, and bail on their verbal. Because I got my MBA from tOSU, I will go with my first option, that tOSU gets more of the 5*s, and sets a new collegiate recruiting record, however they figure it out.....Regardless of how the cookie crumbles, Go Bucks!
 
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RB07OSU said:
Guess I will put this one in here...I was rewatching some games back from 2013-2016 where we had the "Harvin" position, which of course we morphed into the names of our own players that fit that role. I am thinking we by and large see that role go away from the recruiting perspective. If you have dominant receivers and backs to fill their roles, little need for that position anymore other than the occasional play to throw off a defense. Maybe I am wrong, just my thoughts.
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That position has been dying across the country over the last couple of years. Maybe Jaylen Waddle from Bama is the closest thing to it, but he’s mostly a receiver. The craze now seems to be the super fast, shifty slot guy like Waddle, KJ Hamler, Rondale Moore, etc. Mookie Cooper seems slated to be that guy here.
 
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RB07OSU said:
Guess I will put this one in here...I was rewatching some games back from 2013-2016 where we had the "Harvin" position, which of course we morphed into the names of our own players that fit that role. I am thinking we by and large see that role go away from the recruiting perspective. If you have dominant receivers and backs to fill their roles, little need for that position anymore other than the occasional play to throw off a defense. Maybe I am wrong, just my thoughts.
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It’s funny....I’ve had this convo with a few staffers at FSU recently.

But that Harvin position, however you describe it (different teams have a different name for it), has really lost significance as college and pro football has changed defensively.

Linebackers into today’s college football, were safeties back in Percy’s day. The focus on LB’s who can get sideline to sideline and play in coverage is such a premium now. You need speed across the field behind your front 4.

Harvin was very special, there’s no denying it. But his impact in today’s landscape wouldn’t be as great with the way teams roll out their defensive lineups.

The funny thing is, as teams adjust to spread offenses and needing kore speed across the field, it opens up years for teams like Wisconsin, Iowa, even your Navy/Army’s to be sneaky great teams. We saw what Iowa did to us recently. When you build a defense for spread offenses and then play an I formation team that will run it down your throat it presents huge challenges.
 
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billmac91 said:
It’s funny....I’ve had this convo with a few staffers at FSU recently.

But that Harvin position, however you describe it (different teams have a different name for it), has really lost significance as college and pro football has changed defensively.

Linebackers into today’s college football, were safeties back in Percy’s day. The focus on LB’s who can get sideline to sideline and play in coverage is such a premium now. You need speed across the field behind your front 4.

Harvin was very special, there’s no denying it. But his impact in today’s landscape wouldn’t be as great with the way teams roll out their defensive lineups.

The funny thing is, as teams adjust to spread offenses and needing kore speed across the field, it opens up years for teams like Wisconsin, Iowa, even your Navy/Army’s to be sneaky great teams. We saw what Iowa did to us recently. When you build a defense for spread offenses and then play an I formation team that will run it down your throat it presents huge challenges.
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It also bears mentioning that in high school nobody plays against the I anymore. In our division, of the 10 teams 7 of them run shotgun spread as their base. Then you have a team who does all kinds of dumb shit, a really poor version of the Wing T and our triple option.
Iso against 210 pound college linebackers is lethal.
 
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