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tOSU Recruiting Discussion

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zincfinger said:
Is there a sensible reason for that? Did Devonshire think he was likely to get significant playing time on defense as a true freshman if Arnette left?
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Scholarships. They have 85 already before adding 1, maybe 2 more (like Nester).

I think it's more likely to see eventual departures (maybe not till next winter) related to the 2020 class, which already has plenty of room (18 seniors + 5 likely other openings from jr class).
 
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jwinslow said:
Scholarships. They have 85 already before adding 1, maybe 2 more (like Nester).

I think it's more likely to see eventual departures (maybe not till next winter) related to the 2020 class, which already has plenty of room (18 seniors + 5 likely other openings from jr class).
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Yeah, 2020 is looking more and more like it could be a 24-25 man class. If that's the case, if they recruit anywhere near what they have done under Meyer (4* average), just on pure #'s alone they finish top 3, and possibly #1 overall.
 
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mendensa said:
Yeah, 2020 is looking more and more like it could be a 24-25 man class. If that's the case, if they recruit anywhere near what they have done under Meyer (4* average), just on pure #'s alone they finish top 3, and possibly #1 overall.
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Stop playing, this is OSU, no way will they give a non SEC team #1, #2 is our ceiling...
 
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mendensa said:
True. Some team in the SEC will bring in 27 and edge us out (Bammer or Dawgs). All of OSU's recruits will mysteriously drop in the rankings right before early signing day. I catch your drift.
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Honestly you are right... how is it that Alabama or a UGA bring in 25+ every year?

Lets win the average recruit ranking... that's what matters.
 
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bukIpower said:
Honestly you are right... how is it that Alabama or a UGA bring in 25+ every year?

Lets win the average recruit ranking... that's what matters.
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buklpower, I've been saying it for a while now, and it's no secret, the SEC as a conference has over-recruited for years. I'll admit that I don't track it like I do the OSU program's numbers, but there are years we only have 12-15 guys leave so bringing in 25+ in just about every recruiting class means they have hella transfers (guys being shown the door) legal or academic casualities, or lots of guys getting drafted every year. I think it's a combo of all but seems like more times than not you see a mid 20's number next to the majority of the SEC schools in Feb when it comes to new guys coming in and that effects the national perception every year. I'm just glad the school I follow doesn't operate quite like that.

I believe most of the recruiting sites base their rankings on your top 25, if I'm not mistaken, and the rest don't calculate into your final rankings. So u figure, it makes a huge difference in your final ranking when you bring in 18 vs. another program bringing in 27, which I noticed most of the ESPN guys fail to mention during the Early Signing Period coverage.

I do agree with u though, I also tend to focus more on the per player average, the quality of kid they are bringing in, and the way the kids get developed as their careers at OSU progress vs. dwell on the guys that they don't get anymore, especially with as many offers that go out and seemingly being in on so many high-end guys til the very end. U just aren't going to get them all. The fact that OSU is in consideration for a lot of them tells me they continue to be among the elite programs.

More often than not, for me, it's the Ohio kids that end up playing for our B1G brethern that get to me. Nothing worse than seeing an Ohio kid do us dirty on a cool, October night game, on the road, that maybe we had a shot at if OSU just wouldn't have slow played while chasing bigger fish.

It's all a numbers game and the SEC just plays it a little differently than us.
 
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I don't monitor the SEC that closely but the NCAA rule is that you can only have 25 "initial counters" in an academic year. So when you see the numbers consistently above 25 they have to be weeding them out before they enroll. You can recruit more than 25 in a year if you have early enrollees or greyshirts but you can't do it year after year or the numbers catch up with you.
 
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mendensa said:
buklpower, I've been saying it for a while now, and it's no secret, the SEC as a conference has over-recruited for years. I'll admit that I don't track it like I do the OSU program's numbers, but there are years we only have 12-15 guys leave so bringing in 25+ in just about every recruiting class means they have hella transfers (guys being shown the door) legal or academic casualities, or lots of guys getting drafted every year. I think it's a combo of all but seems like more times than not you see a mid 20's number next to the majority of the SEC schools in Feb when it comes to new guys coming in and that effects the national perception every year. I'm just glad the school I follow doesn't operate quite like that.

I believe most of the recruiting sites base their rankings on your top 25, if I'm not mistaken, and the rest don't calculate into your final rankings. So u figure, it makes a huge difference in your final ranking when you bring in 18 vs. another program bringing in 27, which I noticed most of the ESPN guys fail to mention during the Early Signing Period coverage.

I do agree with u though, I also tend to focus more on the per player average, the quality of kid they are bringing in, and the way the kids get developed as their careers at OSU progress vs. dwell on the guys that they don't get anymore, especially with as many offers that go out and seemingly being in on so many high-end guys til the very end. U just aren't going to get them all. The fact that OSU is in consideration for a lot of them tells me they continue to be among the elite programs.

More often than not, for me, it's the Ohio kids that end up playing for our B1G brethern that get to me. Nothing worse than seeing an Ohio kid do us dirty on a cool, October night game, on the road, that maybe we had a shot at if OSU just wouldn't have slow played while chasing bigger fish.

It's all a numbers game and the SEC just plays it a little differently than us.
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that was the case a decade ago. Shortly after urban arrived, everyone and their mother started oversigning.

@Oh8ch is right about 25 per year being a hard cap. You also cannot and should not just run off anyone to make room. There simply are not a lot of candidates for that this offseason and not much momentum in the 2019 class to utilize that space
 
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I know it’s early in Day’s tenure, but it feels as though he has a different approach than Urban did. Urban seemed like (and I don’t have any facts to base this on) he would go hard after national kids first in hopes that the Ohio kid would still be there in the end. Whereas it feels like Day is the opposite. It seems like he wants to get the top 8-10 Ohio kids in early. Again, nothing concrete to go off of, just feels different.
 
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Oh8ch said:
I don't know about Urban, but - and I realize this is basketball - Bobby Knight would always go after the national kids first.

And clearly Day is the opposite of Knight.
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bucknut502 said:
I know it’s early in Day’s tenure, but it feels as though he has a different approach than Urban did. Urban seemed like (and I don’t have any facts to base this on) he would go hard after national kids first in hopes that the Ohio kid would still be there in the end. Whereas it feels like Day is the opposite. It seems like he wants to get the top 8-10 Ohio kids in early. Again, nothing concrete to go off of, just feels different.
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I don't think it's a choice for Day so much as a necessity. Urban had a national approach because he had the reputation and pedigree to go out and pull those top 100 national recruits, anywhere in the country. Right now, as a first-time HC, Day doesn't have that.

We all think highly of Coach Day, obviously, as do many people - but he hasn't won 3 national titles and a phone call from him doesn't quite carry the gravitas of a call from Saban, Swinney, or Meyer. At least, not yet. Thus the emphasis on Ohio recruits.
 
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