tOSU Recruiting Discussion

[cdiddy70]

I think this might be the next gen of this.

People are bloviating about cracks stating to show at Bama because of all the kids hitting the portal.
I’m thinking it’s Saban creating cap space.

What’s to stop him from offering Marv and JTT $5 million to spend a year at Bama. I’m guessing some rich redneck would enjoy knowing he spent millions to get Caleb Williams. Basically every year everyone is a free agent.

Probably makes more sense to spend on known quantities than high school kids.
Of course they can do both.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I think this might be the next gen of this.

People are bloviating about cracks stating to show at Bama because of all the kids hitting the portal.
I’m thinking it’s Saban creating cap space.

What’s to stop him from offering Marv and JTT $5 million to spend a year at Bama.

Probably makes more sense to spend on known quantities than high school kids.
Of course they can do both.

That's any professional sport without any restrictions on talent acquisition. No draft, no rules around free agents and no budgets (so salary caps or luxury taxes). Left unchecked you will have the handful of owners that are willing/able to spend more come to dominate very quickly.

As we sit here right now, in MLB, the Mets are potentially going to have to pay more in luxury tax than a couple of teams (Pirates/Reds) are spending on actual players. Not a perfect parallel because that's a choice by those owners but it's a good example of how wide the gap can get between the have's and have nots.

 

[pnuts34]

Pate over at 247sports speaking some truth:

 

[Jaxbuck]

I'll put this here instead of the recruits thread because it's more about the brave new world of recruiting and talent acquisition than just the one player:

Pantoni's role is going to have to expand in this new environment imo. That role is going to need a staff because you are going to have to know the market for possible acquisition and defections. You'll need some sort of "net talent level" metric and doing all that is well beyond the capacity of one guy watching endless hours of film.

Related to that-one thing I could see happening almost instantly is a big shake up in the recruiting rankings world as we've known it up to this point. Landing a top 5 class is almost a dead metric for success already. Why over pay for all that new HS talent when you can fill so many gaps with transfers? Then, how do you start measuring the real "value" of a transfer? He isn't that 3 star from HS anymore. He's turned into something else now. How they start to put the value on these guys will be interesting to see. It might be an opportunity for a PFF type organization to muscle in on the current HS recruiting ranking business.

 

[Bestbuck36]

I'll put this here instead of the recruits thread because it's more about the brave new world of recruiting and talent acquisition than just the one player:

Pantoni's role is going to have to expand in this new environment imo. That role is going to need a staff because you are going to have to know the market for possible acquisition and defections. You'll need some sort of "net talent level" metric and doing all that is well beyond the capacity of one guy watching endless hours of film.

Related to that-one thing I could see happening almost instantly is a big shake up in the recruiting rankings world as we've known it up to this point. Landing a top 5 class is almost a dead metric for success already. Why over pay for all that new HS talent when you can fill so many gaps with transfers? Then, how do you start measuring the real "value" of a transfer? He isn't that 3 star from HS anymore. He's turned into something else now. How they start to put the value on these guys will be interesting to see. It might be an opportunity for a PFF type organization to muscle in on the current HS recruiting ranking business.

If I can add to that, instead of Star rankings in the future they will have $$$ next to a recruit likely estimating their NIL worth on the market where schools will have to take all of that into consideration. If everyone wanted more and more parity, you could put a limit on the schools budget for NIL/Free Agency/Transfers. This keeps the value of individuals whatever the market would demand but it might make them decide more about which school they wanted to go to and what they are willing to accept monetarily. If there is a way to govern all of this, and NIL packages are supposed to be disclosed, that seems the best way to regulate spending while maintaining individual values.

 

[Jaxbuck]

If I can add to that, instead of Star rankings in the future they will have $$$ next to a recruit likely estimating their NIL worth on the market where schools will have to take all of that into consideration. If everyone wanted more and more parity, you could put a limit on the schools budget for NIL/Free Agency/Transfers. This keeps the value of individuals whatever the market would demand but it might make them decide more about which school they wanted to go to and what they are willing to accept monetarily. If there is a way to govern all of this, and NIL packages are supposed to be disclosed, that seems the best way to regulate spending while maintaining individual values.

you'd have to get the schools to agree to a salary cap/budget. I don't see that ever happening and if you did, I think it would be considered collusion* from a legal standpoint (but I'm not a lawyer).

*Collusion, as I understand it, in a simple example means that the owners of all the coal mines, let's say, can't agree to keep wages suppressed.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Pate over at 247sports speaking some truth:

The 42% number is interesting.

I'd be curious what the level of "quitting" was across NCAA football previously. I know we don't see it much at a place like OSU but across all CFB, a lot of dudes are just going to get sick of the amount of work it takes and question the reward. I only mention players quitting the sport because that 42% is either guy who quit or a guy who hit the portal, found no new home and wasn't welcomed back- so coaches turning over some roster spots. I don't think for one second that 42% of players on scholarship just said "screw it I'm done."

I keep seeing people using the framework that it's kids making a bad decision but that stat implies that maybe coaches are using this opportunity to do things that aren't in the best interest of the players. Wouldn't be the first time.

 

[pnuts34]

The 42% number is interesting.

I'd be curious what the level of "quitting" was across NCAA football previously. I know we don't see it much at a place like OSU but across all CFB, a lot of dudes are just going to get sick of the amount of work it takes and question the reward. I only mention players quitting the sport because that 42% is either guy who quit or a guy who hit the portal, found no new home and wasn't welcomed back- so coaches turning over some roster spots. I don't think for one second that 42% of players on scholarship just said "screw it I'm done."

I keep seeing people using the framework that it's kids making a bad decision but that stat implies that maybe coaches are using this opportunity to do things that aren't in the best interest of the players. Wouldn't be the first time.

I think it’s definitely the latter, a guy tests the portal and then his schollie is given to someone else. So the guy settles on a lesser program. You’re seeing 5stars and 4stars all over G5 and FCS now. Khalon Laborn was a former 5star from FSU who ended up at Marshall and led an amazing upset over ND. Chase Brice was a former 4star who went to Clemson and led a massive upset over aTm as the QB at App St. And UC got to the CFP last year on the legs of Bama transfer Jerome Ford

 

[pnuts34]

Not exactly the NiL I want out in front. But it’s something…

 

[Jaxbuck]

Not exactly the NiL I want out in front. But it’s something…

They have an addressable market of some 11 million people.

Figure out a way to get 9.99 a month out of a 1/3 of them. Surely to Woody you can create enough content to justify $9 a month from fans of a sports team.

This isn’t cutting edge business stuff here but when you are dealing with idiot sons of wealth….

 

[jakenick06]

Not exactly the NiL I want out in front. But it’s something…

 

[RuGettinIt]

They have an addressable market of some 11 million people.

Figure out a way to get 9.99 a month out of a 1/3 of them. Surely to Woody you can create enough content to justify $9 a month from fans of a sports team.

This isn’t cutting edge business stuff here but when you are dealing with idiot sons of wealth….

Yeah there’s going to have to be something for Joe Buckeye couch fan if you want them to donate.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Yeah there’s going to have to be something for Joe Buckeye couch fan if you want them to donate.

There should be tiers to it but hell , when you are asking for single dollar donations from millions of people you don’t have to over think the “what’s in it for them” too much.

Send us $5 so we can pay for good players. What else do you need?

Every business in Ohio could ask if you want to round up your purchase to the next dollar for the OSU NIL fund.

It’s easy stuff. You just have to go communicate it.

 

[RuGettinIt]

There should be tiers to it but hell , when you are asking for single dollar donations from millions of people you don’t have to over think the “what’s in it for them” too much.

Send us $5 so we can pay for good players. What else do you need?

Every business in Ohio could ask if you want to round up your purchase to the next dollar for the OSU NIL fund.

It’s easy stuff. You just have to go communicate it.

Maybe some of the Buckeye sites that charge subscription fees could “donate” to the collectives if that’s allowed. Sort of like Bombas who gives a free pair of socks or underwear for everyone you buy. Of course the price per pair is basically double the normal price to pay for the donation.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Maybe some of the Buckeye sites that charge subscription fees could “donate” to the collectives if that’s allowed. Sort of like Bombas who gives a free pair of socks or underwear for everyone you buy. Of course the price per pair is basically double the normal price to pay for the donation.

There are endless ways to do it. The key is to get the message out to you 11 million person target market consistently and make it easy for them to click the “donate” button.