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tOSU Recruiting Discussion

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calibuck said:
Listen to the 'talking heads' and think that this is the highest tOSU will be ranked :wink:. Saying that, see a couple of 5* that MIGHT commit, but a long way from certainty. Bama will do it's usual surge, collecting scalps and 5*'s galore, and finish in top 1-2 per usual. Was pleasantly surprised that the new DB &S coaches were able to recruit as successfully as they did. LB - Knowles, will get his compliment needed (2?), but that cupboard is far from bare. OL is biggest concern, as we're two years without a road grader. Sure, some of last year and this year recruits CAN do it, but that's potential. Not seen any vignettes yet about Frye, how he's training the OL, back-ups, etc. Know it's a dead period for coaching, but am looking forward to him working in some of the new guys after some of these early games get played (after ND certainly). tOSU will lose three, maybe four starters from what should be an outstanding line. IF they all live up to their potential, but I see no reason why they wouldn't. Do like that Day doesn't use the xfer portal as a candy store, but cherry picks a starter or two (never been more than two a year, no?) to fill a specific need. Looking forward to the product tOSU puts on the field in the fall. Go Bucks!
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I've been thinking about the new coaches and their past positions before arriving at OSU, and I think too much expectations were being placed on Frye after so many Stud misses. But many of us failed to realize that Frye wasn't recruiting the level of talent that is expected at OSU, and the same can be said about Knowles. We hired 1 coach who's young and energetic who was going to relate to recruits/current players better, and he was going to need a year to build relationships. But we're severely under rating the OH kids he got. Like @RB07OSU said, Frye getting the 3 OL from OH was big, because there was a time where we might've only gotten 1 or 2 of them. And the fact that he had UCLA as 2nd in rushing avg/gm and overall yds/gm, all with guys many programs didn't want, says a lot. This may be big for some of the guys who we all thought were plan b guys(you know the names), but in starting in '24, he's going to need to win some of the big battles for the high 4star and 5star OL(especially OTs)

But I think there shouldn't be a surprise about the DB recruiting, when Eliano already had a solid list of names from UC, as he can point to 2 CBs drafted just this past draft, and both were 3stars(and one even won the award for the best CB). Walton already had an NFL track record, and can connect with the players as well as the parents, and show them what it takes to make the NFL. Sure it hurt losing Coombs, and knowing we wouldn't land Harris, but we all know we couldn't keep him and demote him. And Eliano/Walton have had the best case scenario in DB recruiting.
 
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I think there’s been too much talk about missing out on Curtis, and possibly even Downs, and we’re forgetting about one of the biggest recruiting wins who reclassified, Sonny Styles! If Styles had stayed in the 2023 class, there’d be no doubt in my mind that he’d be a top 10 overall recruit. You don’t see many kids who are 6’4 215lbs Safeties coming out of HS. He’s as big as Curtis and as fast and as good in coverage as Downs. And he could grow into LB, and possibly even Jack/DE, depends on how he matures. But having him makes me not worry about losing either kid in this class. And it only helps that he’s already on campus, and in a college legit S&C program, something that he wouldn’t be getting at all in HS. He has an actual dietician and not his mom making his meals. And the fact that in basketball, at a major summer tournament he led the whole tournament in blocks, while playing Guard, shows you his athleticism!
 
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Right, but him reclassifying means he’s using a year of eligibility this year, not next year. Need elite talent at every position every year to account for nfl early departures, injuries, lack of development, and obviously transfers. Nobody forgets about Styles, it’s the fact we have no LB’s committed in the 2023 class. Hopefully we get 1 or even 2 this year from somewhere, but need to knock it out of the park in 2024
 
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johnson2443 said:
Right, but him reclassifying means he’s using a year of eligibility this year, not next year. Need elite talent at every position every year to account for nfl early departures, injuries, lack of development, and obviously transfers. Nobody forgets about Styles, it’s the fact we have no LB’s committed in the 2023 class. Hopefully we get 1 or even 2 this year from somewhere, but need to knock it out of the park in 2024
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I hear you, but in 2023 season, 2 players would be true frosh and 1 would be a RS frosh, and probably in the 2 deep. While the other 2 are learning the playbook. Plus with playing only 2 LBs, LB isn’t a room where we need a lot of players in that room(and we have 10, and lose 2 and possibly 1 more after this season). If there’s a group to “worry” about numbers, it’s OL.
 
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OSU has been up to their eyeballs in elite MLBs

T.Mitchell
M.Mitchell
McMillan
Klein
T.Johnson
Sabino
C.Grant
L.Grant
D'Andrea


That's not a particularly successful list.

It does not change the need to chase blue-chippers, but rather adding some context to a particular position.

Meanwhile the best LBs of the past few decades:

Werner
Baker
Kwon
Lee
Shazier
Laurinaitis
Hawk
Harrison?

There are a few blue chippers in there (Baker, Kwon, Shazier). Some complete nobodies recruiting wise (Lee, Hawk, Harrison, Harrison). Some not respected enough types like Werner.
 
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jwinslow said:
OSU has been up to their eyeballs in elite MLBs

T.Mitchell
M.Mitchell
McMillan
Klein
T.Johnson
Sabino
C.Grant
L.Grant
D'Andrea


That's not a particularly successful list.

It does not change the need to chase blue-chippers, but rather adding some context to a particular position.

Meanwhile the best LBs of the past few decades:

Werner
Baker
Kwon
Lee
Shazier
Laurinaitis
Hawk
Harrison?

There are a few blue chippers in there (Baker, Kwon, Shazier). Some complete nobodies recruiting wise (Lee, Hawk, Harrison, Harrison). Some not respected enough types like Werner.
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Spot on my friend. I was actually just thinking about that after Curtis went to USC, Grant(s), Mitchell(s) and Sabino came to mind immediately. I was just rewatching the Clemson beatdown and Werner might be one of the more unheralded guys we have had that actually destroyed it. If we can get nothing but a bunch of Warners at LB I would be ecstatic. Point is that LB is a position where you can typically be alright if you don't land nothing but blue chip guys.
 
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RB07OSU said:
Spot on my friend. I was actually just thinking about that after Curtis went to USC, Grant(s), Mitchell(s) and Sabino came to mind immediately. I was just rewatching the Clemson beatdown and Werner might be one of the more unheralded guys we have had that actually destroyed it. If we can get nothing but a bunch of Warners at LB I would be ecstatic. Point is that LB is a position where you can typically be alright if you don't land nothing but blue chip guys.
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Meanwhile Clemson won two NCs with:

2016 lbs - Blanks, Goodson, Boulware

not drafted, 4th rd, not drafted

2018 lbs Simmons, Lamar, Joseph

1st rd, not drafted, not drafted


They have had some really mediocre LBs over the years. There have been a couple of exceptions, but they aren't close to Wisconsin as a developer of LBs, let alone a top program.
 
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jwinslow said:
Meanwhile Clemson won two NCs with:

2016 lbs - Blanks, Goodson, Boulware

not drafted, 4th rd, not drafted

2018 lbs Simmons, Lamar, Joseph

1st rd, not drafted, not drafted


They have had some really mediocre LBs over the years. There have been a couple of exceptions, but they aren't close to Wisconsin as a developer of LBs, let alone a top program.
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I want to get every top player possible, but this is usually what I think of when people say "You need to beat the best at recruiting to be at their level". OSU is never going to consistently beat a southern school at recruiting, but OSU also hasn't had an issue with recruiting and talent as much as they've had inconsistent position and poor defensive coaching on and off since 2016.

That, combined with OSU using more safeties and LB increasingly becoming a tweener position and it's much easier to move players around from safety or DE and use them in a similar fashion.
 
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I'll continue to say it until it changes...... OSU is going to be fine offensively as long as Ryan Day is steering the ship and recruiting QB's and WR's at the level they are right now.

Championships are won in the trenches though and with elite beasts on the OL and difference-making players creating havoc on the DL..... where things have dropped off a little in the last few years. OSU will continue to be in the conversation but won't win consistently in the games that matter most at the end of the season going forward if they can't keep up with what the top 2-4 teams in the SEC bring in each year.

Although OSU hits on some good prospects, they don't have the depth at those positions where they can afford late flips, misses, and/or decommits late in the cycle. Seems like they put their eggs all in a few baskets and there aren't a lot of promising options I feel confident about at some important positions where they need to develop some depth and fill out the class with quality talent.
 
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mendensa said:
I'll continue to say it until it changes...... OSU is going to be fine offensively as long as Ryan Day is steering the ship and recruiting QB's and WR's at the level they are right now.

Championships are won in the trenches though and with elite beasts on the OL and difference-making players creating havoc on the DL..... where things have dropped off a little in the last few years. OSU will continue to be in the conversation but won't win consistently in the games that matter most at the end of the season going forward if they can't keep up with what the top 2-4 teams in the SEC bring in each year.

Although OSU hits on some good prospects, they don't have the depth at those positions where they can afford late flips, misses, and/or decommits late in the cycle. Seems like they put their eggs all in a few baskets and there aren't a lot of promising options I feel confident about at some important positions where they need to develop some depth and fill out the class with quality talent.
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It's difficult to pull the big guys out of the south to play up north.

I think a big factor is lack of relationship. You can't come into a program and within a few months magically develop a relationship with somebody who has been working a recruit for a couple years.
The constant turn over and volatility of the D coaches, but for Johnson, and Stud checking out, add with new staff, it's unreasonable for people to expect a magic wand to be waved and these recruits just come because it's OSU. Remember the post Hafley mess?

First there needs to be a relationship with the kid, family and their high school coach. That takes time. Second there needs to be a proven product. To answer both of those, is where the upcoming season (year) come into play.

Let's be honest. To get those big recruits on the Oline and on D, to get past the aforementioned, big money would have to be thrown. OSU obviously wasn't/isn't going to do that, and are taking a steady approach to NIL.

My 2 cents.
 
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DaveyBoy said:
We have not had a month this bad since JT left. Something is off here. Why suddenly are we toxic ? We just had a chunk of quality secondary talent transfer out.
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It's really not that bad. There was a major transition on the defensive side of the team, and a new O line coach.

Add in the weird NIL narrative, and this would explain this season.

It's not a bad year, but a bad month. OSU will most likely still have a top 10 recruiting year.
 
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osuvictory1 said:
It's really not that bad. There was a major transition on the defensive side of the team, and a new O line coach.

Add in the weird NIL narrative, and this would explain this season.

It's not a bad year, but a bad month. OSU will most likely still have a top 10 recruiting year.
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OSU will most likely have a top 5 class. And I agree, the staff over haul has affected the defensive recruiting. But thankfully we're quite stocked at most of the positions with talent, so these losses don't sting as much.
 
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