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Interesting thread on another site about NIL philosophic differences that may help explain why we're probably losing Carnell Tate.
Poster's take is there's three distinct groups emerging in recruiting...Group#1 is the "all-in" colleges like Tenn. and A+M that ask
the kid what it's gonna take and then pay them up front. You can imagine how popular they've become. Group#2 tells their recruits
that the money will be there IF the production is there. Ohio State is in this group and it does seem a logical way to proceed. Group#3
would be the schools that either have rejected the NIL concept or have yet to set it up. USC and UCLA are mentioned here and I would
add Clemson too.What's interesting to me is this is a messed up system that may end up ruining college football as we know it but
there's really no one to blame! All are playing by the new rules . We can vilify the Vols for telling Tate "Here's your uni and you 300K,
welcome to Rocky Top" but now it's above board and legal for them to do it. Sustainability is TBD.
 
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Akron Rick said:
Interesting thread on another site about NIL philosophic differences that may help explain why we're probably losing Carnell Tate.
Poster's take is there's three distinct groups emerging in recruiting...Group#1 is the "all-in" colleges like Tenn. and A+M that ask
the kid what it's gonna take and then pay them up front. You can imagine how popular they've become. Group#2 tells their recruits
that the money will be there IF the production is there. Ohio State is in this group and it does seem a logical way to proceed. Group#3
would be the schools that either have rejected the NIL concept or have yet to set it up. USC and UCLA are mentioned here and I would
add Clemson too.What's interesting to me is this is a messed up system that may end up ruining college football as we know it but
there's really no one to blame! All are playing by the new rules . We can vilify the Vols for telling Tate "Here's your uni and you 300K,
welcome to Rocky Top" but now it's above board and legal for them to do it. Sustainability is TBD.
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It will work itself out when the people writing the checks at places like UT and A&M are not watching those teams play in the playoff. People think landing a few 5 stars is going to propel them into a conference championship or the playoff...But look at Ole Miss' 2013 class. Four 5 stars just to go 9-4 and 8-5. Let's continue to chase the guys willing to put in the work to get the $$$
 
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To me that logic is faulty because 1. Ole Miss does not have a head coach that won a title as a head coach. A+M does. Experience matters.
You can say where was Jimbo in last year's playoff? I would answer Where was Ryan Day? Who beat Bama last year? Jimbo (and Kirby).
2.Not saying Group #1 is thinking correctly...just that with NIL it's Wild Wild West time and there are no restrictions so if you got it,spend it.
And make no mistake this is on the NCAA for washing it's hands of the whole thing and letting this become a farce.
 
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Akron Rick said:
Interesting thread on another site about NIL philosophic differences that may help explain why we're probably losing Carnell Tate.
Poster's take is there's three distinct groups emerging in recruiting...Group#1 is the "all-in" colleges like Tenn. and A+M that ask
the kid what it's gonna take and then pay them up front. You can imagine how popular they've become. Group#2 tells their recruits
that the money will be there IF the production is there. Ohio State is in this group and it does seem a logical way to proceed. Group#3
would be the schools that either have rejected the NIL concept or have yet to set it up. USC and UCLA are mentioned here and I would
add Clemson too.What's interesting to me is this is a messed up system that may end up ruining college football as we know it but
there's really no one to blame! All are playing by the new rules . We can vilify the Vols for telling Tate "Here's your uni and you 300K,
welcome to Rocky Top" but now it's above board and legal for them to do it. Sustainability is TBD.
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You got that info from 11W, saw that too.
I like what tier OSU is at. NIL collectives along what OSU can offer on the field, and after graduation makes it still a major sell
 
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To me that logic is faulty because 1. Ole Miss does not have a head coach that won a title as a head coach. A+M does. Experience matters.
You can say where was Jimbo in last year's playoff? I would answer Where was Ryan Day? Who beat Bama last year? Jimbo (and Kirby).
2.Not saying Group #1 is thinking correctly...just that with NIL it's Wild Wild West time and there are no restrictions so if you got it,spend it.
And make no mistake this is on the NCAA for washing it's hands of the whole thing and letting this become a farce.
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And I like his point the most! If it’s going to be the Wild West, than all bets are off. Treat the kids like pros, and expect the best to play like the best, no different than the league. Guys who don’t produce, risk lesser NIL deals while on campus, and they can be negotiated yearly. If that 5 star can’t even make the 2 deep by year 2, that Charger becomes a Huffy, or that Raising Canes deal turns into Dollar General
 
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No one's questioning the "Ohio State way". We're all Ohio State fans or we wouldn't be on this board. Where you seem to be misunderstanding is
his contention (which I may have poorly worded) is the Group1 schools pay BEFORE play, taking the inherent risk the Ohio State kids have that you just described and making that risk moot. So to borrow your analogy these kids are getting that Charger and if they don't meet expectations they still
walk away with the Charger. Group #2 kids don't even see the Charger until the bowl game's over...maybe.
 
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No one's questioning the "Ohio State way". We're all Ohio State fans or we wouldn't be on this board. Where you seem to be misunderstanding is
his contention (which I may have poorly worded) is the Group1 schools pay BEFORE play, taking the inherent risk the Ohio State kids have that you just described and making that risk moot. So to borrow your analogy these kids are getting that Charger and if they don't meet expectations they still
walk away with the Charger. Group #2 kids don't even see the Charger until the bowl game's over...maybe.
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Well didn't a true frosh Treyveon Henderson have a brand new truck last year(it may have been a true frosh Jack Sawyer I'm thinking of)? True frosh, Quinn Ewers had the well known multi million dollar deal.
I think OSU is in Group 2, but dabbles in Group 1 as well. No way does OSU still land 5 stars at the rate we do, and still not offer those kids something major. And I'm sure that these companies are offering 1 year loans, and some based on snaps played or games started. I don't see company's just giving 18yos free things, and money, and then if the kid doesn't pan out or transfers after a semester, they keep everything.
 
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Sawyer did have a new truck, or at least the use of one. Ewers, I don't care what he got because whatever it was it was a bad investment. But it probably does set the bar for Raiola. Will be interesting how all this unfolds inre: the on-the-field results. For example Texas A+M may now have 7 or 8 millionaires on their DL. So who's gonna coach these guys and make them run gassers,etc. ? Some Asst. making less than 100G? Real hard to command respect I would think.
One final thing while I'm in old man rant mode...I just realized every time we fill up at the local gas pump now we're making an indirect contribution to Texas A+M athletics. Go Aggies!
 
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Alex Gleitman on several recruits who visited for the Spring Game:
  • 2023 DL Jason Moore
  • 2023 OL Austin Siereveld
  • 2024 QB Dylan Raiola
  • 2024 WR Tyseer Denmark
  • 2024 DL Elijah Rushing
  • Transfer PK Parker Lewis
 
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Akron Rick said:
Sawyer did have a new truck, or at least the use of one. Ewers, I don't care what he got because whatever it was it was a bad investment. But it probably does set the bar for Raiola. Will be interesting how all this unfolds inre: the on-the-field results. For example Texas A+M may now have 7 or 8 millionaires on their DL. So who's gonna coach these guys and make them run gassers,etc. ? Some Asst. making less than 100G? Real hard to command respect I would think.
One final thing while I'm in old man rant mode...I just realized every time we fill up at the local gas pump now we're making an indirect contribution to Texas A+M athletics. Go Aggies!
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Yes, that coach will still have them runnng gassers! Because in pro sports all the players make more than than the coaches as well. Nothing new. Phil Jackson still made Kobe and Shaq run suicides(he did the same to MJ as well), Belichek made Brady run gassers, Andy Reid probably tears Mahomes a new one for missing open reads, etc etc

But my point to pay attention to, will be what happens to these deals when players don't pan out. Good for aTm to get all of these 5stars, but the guys writing those checks expect trophies(PLURAL)! No longer is beating Bama seen as an upset to them when they paid what they paid to get that talent. They're now EXPECTED to beat Bama, win the SEC and get in the CFP, anything less now is seen as a failure. So what happens if that doesn't happen? Can't have an entire DL of 5stars and be content with 9 wins...
 
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