tOSU Recruiting Discussion

[LordJeffBuck]

Meyer won three national titles in his 19 years as a head coach but didn't win his first until his sixth year...

Meyer's first four seasons were at Bowling Green and Utah, places where he could not win an NC even if he went 12-0 and won a BCS bowl game (which Meyer did in 2004). As soon as Meyer got a Power5 gig (Utah was in the Mountain West during Meyer's tenure), it took him just two seasons to win an NC.

While we got beat by 15 points by a Meatchicken team that made the final four playoffs--the worst defeat under Day, and to a very solid team on that team's home field

The worst defeat under Day was 52-24 to Alabama in the 2020 NC Game.

Meyer was 38-3 in his first three seasons as our head coach, Day was 34-4 as head coach, which I'd say is pretty [redacted]close.

The 2014 NC makes it pretty [redacted] unclose. The blowout loss to scUM makes it uncloser.

So, yeah, Day is currently as good a head coach as Meyer ever was.

No.

If he stays at Ohio State for 19 years (and equals Meyer's total years as a head coach in college) he'll have at least three national titles.

Day won't last 19 years at Ohio State unless he has at least three national titles.

 

[pnuts34]

with so many kids signing early… there is 0 buzz or feel for this signing day now. heck I even forgot it was this week until I saw this

Not only has ESD taking the buzz out of NSD, but so has the transfer portal. When 90+% of your class is signed in December, and the other portion is waiting on guys transferring, you forget about the small percentage of kids not signed

 

[osuvictory1]

Meyer's first four seasons were at Bowling Green and Utah, places where he could not win an NC even if he went 12-0 and won a BCS bowl game (which Meyer did in 2004). As soon as Meyer got a Power5 gig (Utah was in the Mountain West during Meyer's tenure), it took him just two seasons to win an NC.

The worst defeat under Day was 52-24 to Alabama in the 2020 NC Game.

The 2014 NC makes it pretty [redacted] unclose. The blowout loss to scUM makes it uncloser.

No.

Day won't last 19 years at Ohio State unless he has at least three national titles.

I am wondering if Meyer would be as successful this day and age.

He didn't have to deal with the transfer portal and NIL, which have become a viable monster in the last 2.5 years since Meyer has been gone.

I think even Saban is having a difficult time with it.

I think time will tell, but there is a new reality in CFB that we haven't fully come to grasp.

One thing about Day that I appreciate is he is willing to make a change. He may have waited a little longer this time than he should have. I think the most important thing is OSU is willing to put the money forward to win. That's a good thing that bodes well for Day.

 

[cdiddy70]

"So, yeah, Day is currently as good a head coach as Meyer ever was, despite the fact that this is his first-ever head coaching position. If he stays at Ohio State for 19 years (and equals Meyer's total years as a head coach in college) he'll have at least three national titles."

I expect better out of you.
This is pure gibberish.

Meyer is by any measure one of best to ever do it.
Day may meet your lofty expectations but it is pure hopeful wishful speculation at this point.
At this point a case could be made he is closer to Larry Coker then Urban Meyer.

For the 1,000 time. I like Day, am glad he is here, and think he has a very bright future.

But to opine that he is "as good a HC as Meyer ever was" is pure smelly oily lawn sausage at this point.

 

[BuckBackHome]

So, any actual recruiting news?

 

[pnuts34]

I am wondering if Meyer would be as successful this day and age.

He didn't have to deal with the transfer portal and NIL, which have become a viable monster in the last 2.5 years since Meyer has been gone.

I think even Saban is having a difficult time with it.

I think time will tell, but there is a new reality in CFB that we haven't fully come to grasp.

One thing about Day that I appreciate is he is willing to make a change. He may have waited a little longer this time than he should have. I think the most important thing is OSU is willing to put the money forward to win. That's a good thing that bodes well for Day.

How in the heck is Saban having a difficult time with NIL and the transfer portal? Have you followed who he landed in the portal the last 2yrs???
And he's going to kill the NIL at Bama, and he knows it. He's actually been warning coaches about how much success he could have and they won't be able to keep up.

 

[osuvictory1]

How in the heck is Saban having a difficult time with NIL and the transfer portal? Have you followed who he landed in the portal the last 2yrs???
And he's going to kill the NIL at Bama, and he knows it. He's actually been warning coaches about how much success he could have and they won't be able to keep up.

It was my take. Yes he has gotten a few transfer portal players, but he has lost some too. Jameson Williams obviously was a success.

I think if NIL was totally a non factor, he would never said anything at all. He would be above it.

I took his statement as more of bitching about the state of things. Not that he has an all binding grip on NIL and the transfer portal.

It used to be where a coach had a cult of personality, where your programs just brings in the best coaches and players because there is a level of success that played on itself.

Now, you don't need that. You can be a mid level power like TX AM who has a school with wealthy resources, and who can just change their lot over night because they decide they want to.

Money is the equalizer.

 

[pnuts34]

It was my take. Yes he has gotten a few transfer portal players, but he has lost some too. Jameson Williams obviously was a success.

I think if NIL was totally a non factor, he would never said anything at all. He would be above it.

I took his statement as more of bitching about the state of things. Not that he has an all binding grip on NIL and the transfer portal.

It used to be where a coach had a cult of personality, where your programs just brings in the best coaches and players because there is a level of success that played on itself.

Now, you don't need that. You can be a mid level power like TX AM who has a school with wealthy resources, and who can just change their lot over night because they decide they want to.

Money is the equalizer.

They also got Henry Too' Too' last year. And this year they got Gibbs, Burton and Ricks! That's a massive haul in NIL!
Money will get kids, and success keeps them. I doubt that aTm keeps all of these kids all 3-4yrs, thats the difference in them and Bama. Bama can bring kids in, and have them reach success and then still pay them. BIG difference. Mid level teams will sign some kids, and still not be much better on the field.

 

[Jaxbuck]

It was my take. Yes he has gotten a few transfer portal players, but he has lost some too. Jameson Williams obviously was a success.

I think if NIL was totally a non factor, he would never said anything at all. He would be above it.

I took his statement as more of bitching about the state of things. Not that he has an all binding grip on NIL and the transfer portal.

It used to be where a coach had a cult of personality, where your programs just brings in the best coaches and players because there is a level of success that played on itself.

Now, you don't need that. You can be a mid level power like TX AM who has a school with wealthy resources, and who can just change their lot over night because they decide they want to.

Money is the equalizer.

This. NIL strength is relative.

Bama will still kill it but now that NIL allows schools to pay players (essentially), others that choose to can now compete on a more equal footing.

Some schools that were more restrained in the NCAA armature rules days could, theoretically, do some serious damage with NIL if they commit to doing it well. Most of the B1G has huge alumni bases that are more national than regional. Just sayin.

 

[BigWoof31]

So, any actual recruiting news?

Dawgs got Christen Miller.
Which is good because I can't remember the last time we've had a dominant defensive line.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Meyer's first four seasons were at Bowling Green and Utah, places where he could not win an NC even if he went 12-0 and won a BCS bowl game (which Meyer did in 2004). As soon as Meyer got a Power5 gig (Utah was in the Mountain West during Meyer's tenure), it took him just two seasons to win an NC.

So, Meyer had four years as a head coach warming him to his job at Florida, where Day had zero years as a head coach before taking over Ohio State. Right.

The worst defeat under Day was 52-24 to Alabama in the 2020 NC Game.

The worst defeat(s) under Meyer were 55-24 to Iowa and 49-20 to Purdue. Day lost to a 15-0 Alabama, which may have been one of the Top-5 teams of all-time. Meyer got blown out by an Iowa team that was 3-3 in the Big Ten at game time, and by Purdue who was 3-3 overall at game time.

The 2014 NC makes it pretty [redacted] unclose. The blowout loss to scUM makes it uncloser.

No, and no. See above.

Day won't last 19 years at Ohio State unless he has at least three national titles.

Maybe, maybe not. If he keeps winning conference games at a .953 clip, I'd bet my house he'd last 19 years.

 

[pnuts34]

So, Meyer had four years as a head coach warming him to his job at Florida, where Day had zero years as a head coach before taking over Ohio State. Right.


The worst defeat(s) under Meyer were 55-24 to Iowa and 49-20 to Purdue. Day lost to a 15-0 Alabama, which may have been one of the Top-5 teams of all-time. Meyer got blown out by an Iowa team that was 3-3 in the Big Ten at game time, and by Purdue who was 3-3 overall at game time.


No, and no. See above.


Maybe, maybe not. If he keeps winning conference games at a .953 clip, I'd bet my house he'd last 19 years.

I think Day bolts to the NFL before staying that long. He doesn't strike me a CFB lifer

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I think Day bolts to the NFL before staying that long. He doesn't strike me a CFB lifer

We'll just have to disagree.

 

[Merih]

We'll just have to disagree.

I tend to agree with this take - I think he is long term CFB. You can never say forever but still.

He was a Chip Kelly guy, and saw firsthand what that experience was like for him at Philly and the 49ers (meaning a guy who was brilliant offensively in College and then trying to transition to NFL). He then goes back to college and blossoms in that context.

I'd feel different if he never coached in the NFL and wondered "what if" but since he's seen it firsthand I don't think he's as keen on it as you would assume he would be being one of the "young great minds of football".

But yeah. Anyway. Recruiting.

 

[Jaxbuck]

soooo what about that recruiting huh?