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tOSU Recruiting Discussion

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I view this as Frye getting his type of prospect, filling depth with developmental guys, using portal as needed and still swinging for the big names at the same time. I think its a great approach. Basically he is looking for “better” projects than Stud settled for….and Stud absolutely settled for what he could get. Should the portal be relied on? Of course not, but the reality today is you must view it as a bigger part of your strategy than ever before and Day clearly has adapted to this as well. The last point for this particular class is numbers related…if this class does go to 6 on the OL then maybe it all makes a little more sense. If this class adds 2 bigger names to finish out then everyone will have a completely different view. And, the perfect scenario would be that Frye picked the right development guys and we are all pleasantly surprised how they look when they actually step on campus. Is this a glass half full view? Yes but plausible. I believe in Frye until proven otherwise.
 
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ShowMeBuck said:
I view this as Frye getting his type of prospect, filling depth with developmental guys, using portal as needed and still swinging for the big names at the same time. I think its a great approach. Basically he is looking for “better” projects than Stud settled for….and Stud absolutely settled for what he could get. Should the portal be relied on? Of course not, but the reality today is you must view it as a bigger part of your strategy than ever before and Day clearly has adapted to this as well. The last point for this particular class is numbers related…if this class does go to 6 on the OL then maybe it all makes a little more sense. If this class adds 2 bigger names to finish out then everyone will have a completely different view. And, the perfect scenario would be that Frye picked the right development guys and we are all pleasantly surprised how they look when they actually step on campus. Is this a glass half full view? Yes but plausible. I believe in Frye until proven otherwise.
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Agreed.

The portal for us is being treated how it was intended to. The portal is meant to fill holes in your roster and to round your team out not to be your roster (Colorado and Sparty). We've done a good job filling holes on the OL with players like Jackson and now Simmons but it'll never be something we rely on.

The issue we had with Stud was eventually our classes became made up of projects. We need to get back to 2-3 blue chips and 1-2 projects per cycle. I think we have two blue chips already in Moore and the Armstrong twin that's a tackle and we have two projects in Nave and the other Armstrong. So we are right where we need to be IMO. Like you say Show Me, if we finish strong with 2 more higher level kids then wow what a class. If we settle for 2 more projects that won't make any sense.
 
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ShowMeBuck said:
I view this as Frye getting his type of prospect, filling depth with developmental guys, using portal as needed and still swinging for the big names at the same time. I think its a great approach. Basically he is looking for “better” projects than Stud settled for….and Stud absolutely settled for what he could get. Should the portal be relied on? Of course not, but the reality today is you must view it as a bigger part of your strategy than ever before and Day clearly has adapted to this as well. The last point for this particular class is numbers related…if this class does go to 6 on the OL then maybe it all makes a little more sense. If this class adds 2 bigger names to finish out then everyone will have a completely different view. And, the perfect scenario would be that Frye picked the right development guys and we are all pleasantly surprised how they look when they actually step on campus. Is this a glass half full view? Yes but plausible. I believe in Frye until proven otherwise.
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Same. At these kind of positions, especially where we're making up ground and not winning nationally -- take the best couple in-state kids, continue swinging for "blue chips", and use the portal to fill.
We're going to need portal to fill talent gap left by Stud anyway.
Hopefully the OH kids pan out and develop, but if not... the portal has changed that calculus for everyone.
 
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I'd wait and see how this SDSU kid does before we say the portal "filled" anything other than a roster spot. He didn't exactly light it up in the WAC, or whatever the hell league they play in.

Put me in the camp of go fight and win some national recruiting battles as your primary recruiting strategy. I like Ohio kids and feel like there should be an OSU caliber OL project pretty much every year but like anything else, you can't take it too far or you end up exactly where we are right now. Portal is third option because the premium OL guys don't seem to be in it as much as skill players are.

Go win your fair share of battles for the national recruits and it will all work out. Nobody is recruiting at Hartline's level but it's a nice bar to set for the rest of the staff. A man's reach should always exceed his grasp.

...but start effin' grasping
 
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Jaxbuck said:
I'd wait and see how this SDSU kid does before we say the portal "filled" anything other than a roster spot. He didn't exactly light it up in the WAC, or whatever the hell league they play in.

Put me in the camp of go fight and win some national recruiting battles as your primary recruiting strategy. I like Ohio kids and feel like there should be an OSU caliber OL project pretty much every year but like anything else, you can't take it too far or you end up exactly where we are right now. Portal is third option because the premium OL guys don't seem to be in it as much as skill players are.

Go win your fair share of battles for the national recruits and it will all work out. Nobody is recruiting at Hartline's level but it's a nice bar to set for the rest of the staff. A man's reach should always exceed his grasp.

...but start effin' grasping
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All of this!
I think Frye is doing his best in ‘24 with essentially starting from square 1 with some of these commits. if he can win 1 of the national OTs then it’ll go a long way. But ‘25 is where I see OL recruiting picking up. Especially with a bookend in Lowe being in state. And a very good chance on landing Sanders as well.

If OSU can land someone like Baker in ‘24 with Moore, than that is a great class to go with the OH projects.
 
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Blue-Chip Ratio 2023: The 16 teams who can actually win a national title​

How much talent does it take to win the national championship in college football?

That’s the question I set out to answer more than a decade ago in creating the Blue-Chip Ratio.

Since its inception in 2013 the Blue-Chip Ratio been referenced on all the major broadcast networks and tracked closely by head coaches and administrators. It’s not the most complicated calculation in the world, but it’s a great way to figure out the top 10 percent or so of the teams in the sport which can actually take home the title.

Put simply, to win the national championship, college football teams need to sign more four- and five-star recruits (AKA “Blue Chips”) than two- and three-star players over the previous four recruiting classes.

This has been true basically as far back as modern internet recruiting rankings have existed.

Media will sometimes hype a team which has not met the threshold as a national title contender, but history has shown that is not a smart practice. Think Wisconsin, Baylor, Michigan State, TCU, Utah, Cincinnati, TCU, etc. over the last decade.

The Blue-Chip Ratio threshold does not guarantee a national championship, but a team not meeting it is almost certainly guaranteed not to win it all.
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As a legendary football coach use to say:

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Well stated, Script. Ponies won't do if you don't have the horses. Gotta have the talent, however, gotta be able to play the pieces on the board as well. Would like to see that statistic spread out among the position groups. tOSU has had an incredible amount of highly ranked players at the WR and DB positions over the years, but sorely lacking in several other positions (OL to be exact). That's why this year's OL is in doubt I'm thinking. Projects are fine, as long as you've got the studs in place. What I'm stumbling in saying is that in this era of college football, these young men have got to see some action to keep their interest. Coach J substitutes freely, even when game is on the line, and his DL troops have responded well to that. Other groups, not so much. And they lose interest and leave. Maybe that's a good thing, dunno, but it's hard (to me at least) to see a kid leave and excel on another team when it coulda been tOSU. On the other hand, coaches are paid millions to 'win', and you want the pieces on the board that can help reach that goal. Not certain that I've got an answer, maybe experimentation(?) during a game? Last year is a prime example of NOT putting in the youngsters when game is out of hand. OL, QB, DB, LB are prime examples. That's why this year is a 'rebuilding' year (yeah, I know tOSU reloads...), but OL and QB play has suffered. Go Bucks
 
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