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tOSU Recruiting Discussion

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cassidy28 said:
I encourage everyone to listen to the episode of buckeyescoop(I know not everyone is a fan but I am when BG is on) with Bill Greene about the camp. He gives the honest truth about what he saw in the camp about the o-line and the rest of the Ohio State prospects there. BG is one of the best in the business and knows Ohio prospects.
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Very interesting video. Greene really calls out the OL recruiting. Its fair, but I don't think he understands where Frye was starting at, and how long it will take him to land OL on the national level like WRs. Its almost like he's expecting the 3 OH OL to come in on day 1 and compete in the 2 deep. These 3 probably won't see the field until their 3rd years in college, and that's alright as long as they progress and improve yearly. But I also understand that Frye is going to need to start winning those national battles like Hartline in the few years to keep the offense at an elite level. It seems like he knows that, but has to sign the talented players that OH has in state first and not ignore them like his predecessor. If he can coach up the twins and Nave to competent/high end starters(at least 2 of them) than the 5 star battles will start to be won more frequently, IMO
 
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pnuts34 said:
Very interesting video. Greene really calls out the OL recruiting. Its fair, but I don't think he understands where Frye was starting at, and how long it will take him to land OL on the national level like WRs. Its almost like he's expecting the 3 OH OL to come in on day 1 and compete in the 2 deep. These 3 probably won't see the field until their 3rd years in college, and that's alright as long as they progress and improve yearly. But I also understand that Frye is going to need to start winning those national battles like Hartline in the few years to keep the offense at an elite level. It seems like he knows that, but has to sign the talented players that OH has in state first and not ignore them like his predecessor. If he can coach up the twins and Nave to competent/high end starters(at least 2 of them) than the 5 star battles will start to be won more frequently, IMO
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Frye is putting in the work for sure. It takes a while to build relationships with recruits, and showing what is happening to recruits.

The OL is moving in a good direction, and by next year, he should be fairly evaluated on what he brings to the table. Not even this 2023 recruiting year, but the 2024 recruiting cycle. That is fair game.
 
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cassidy28 said:
I encourage everyone to listen to the episode of buckeyescoop(I know not everyone is a fan but I am when BG is on) with Bill Greene about the camp. He gives the honest truth about what he saw in the camp about the o-line and the rest of the Ohio State prospects there. BG is one of the best in the business and knows Ohio prospects.
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It's an hour long. Pass on that.

Someone will summarize it at some point.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
It's an hour long. Pass on that.

Someone will summarize it at some point.
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I basically did that, lol
But didn't want to summarize too much because I assumed it would bore most of you.

But in essence, Greene thinks the OL recruiting is lacking compared to the skill positions(mainly QB and WR). Which is in essence true, but like @osuvictory1 said, it takes a while to get in roads and make solid relationships with schools haven't sent many kids to OSU. Frye coaching on the west coast helps get OSU more of a presence, and he probably knows more of the assistant coaches being at UCLA. Greene wasn't impressed with Nave's body and thinks he needs to lose weight, and doesn't think he or the Armstrong twins are OSU caliber(B1G caliber though). He believes in order for OSU to win NCs, they need to win national recruiting battles for OL. Nave is mainly a road grader now, and if he can get to 300, than maybe his footwork improves in pass protection. Said the twins are smart and look amazing, but are inexperienced in actual football reps because St. Eds doesn't start Frosh. Thought Deonte looked more like a TE and needs to work on his technique, Devontae looked better as more of a IOL. But doesn't think OSU should take these 3 as they have too many question marks and his grade for them was an incomplete. None of the 3 OSU commits winning the OL MVP spoke loud to him. Especially since the talent of DL wasn't the best(said most of the DL talent was lower tier B1G or MAC level).
He really liked Bryce Underwood, and said that he's college ready right now. Praised Ryan Montgomery for tightening his release and working on his consistency and mechanics. Tavien St. Clair is closing the gap on Montgomery in his opinion as well. Could see Montgomery committing by Sept 1, but the issue will be that Underwood won't be ready to commit anytime soon. And does OSU take Montgomery if he's ready or wait until next year to chase Underwood.
He believes that Teryhon Nichols is OSU caliber, but he wouldn't take him over Scott, West, Lockhart or Brown. Prefers Scott over West(though he definitely wants both). Said Scott needs to work on his speed, as he was burnt on a go route(it wasn't to Graham btw), but says that he'll be a better college CB than Cam Brown and Denzel Burke. Believes that if OSU takes 4 CBs, and can get the 4 listed, than Nichols doesn't make it in. But if they take 5, then Nichols would make it in.
Brian Robinson underwhelmed, as he didn't face any OSU commits or Ben Roebuck. And the OT that he faced, he couldn't dominate or get around. Liked his personality, work ethic and measurables, but still thinks he needs a lot of work.
If he could take one player at the camp, he said it was Chris Henry Jr. Said that living with Pacman Jones is only going to help him get better, as he is getting trained by an elite former D1/NFL CB, so he knows the moves that the CB will try. Said that his ceiling is very high, and that he reminds him of when SFE coaches brought up a young JJ Smith. His comp is a MHjr with speed(sidenote: BM5 yesterday said they feel Chris Henry Jr reminds them of Randy Moss:yow2:). Day and Alford were even watching him closely, believes that OSU lands Henry in the end. Just needs to keep working, and stay out of trouble.
Mylan Graham has elite speed. But he's not only a speed WR. Thinks he fits in the category of talent from the '23 class of WRs as opposed to the guys in '22. Tracks the ball well, can run past most CBs, and has sure hands. He's at the top of the WR list in America, and thinks there are few above him(JJ of course, but not many else).

Hopefully this helps, and wasn't too long winded
 
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pnuts34 said:
Greene wasn't impressed with Nave's body and thinks he needs to lose weight, and doesn't think he or the Armstrong twins are OSU caliber(B1G caliber though). He believes in order for OSU to win NCs, they need to win national recruiting battles for OL. Nave is mainly a road grader now, and if he can get to 300, than maybe his footwork improves in pass protection. Said the twins are smart and look amazing, but are inexperienced in actual football reps because St. Eds doesn't start Frosh. Thought Deonte looked more like a TE and needs to work on his technique, Devontae looked better as more of a IOL. But doesn't think OSU should take these 3 as they have too many question marks and his grade for them was an incomplete. None of the 3 OSU commits winning the OL MVP spoke loud to him. Especially since the talent of DL wasn't the best(said most of the DL talent was lower tier B1G or MAC level).
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That's what I was afraid he was going to say.

Thanks
 
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pnuts34 said:
Greene wasn't impressed with Nave's body and thinks he needs to lose weight, and doesn't think he or the Armstrong twins are OSU caliber(B1G caliber though). He believes in order for OSU to win NCs, they need to win national recruiting battles for OL.
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And a few years ago Greene was whining because Ohio State wouldn't take marginal in-state OL projects like Nick Samac and J.D. Duplain. I don't know, maybe Greene has learned his lesson but this just seems like more of his anti-homer shtick to me.

And for the record, I do believe that Ohio State needs to win national recruiting battles for OL ... for all positions, really ... but I've always felt this way and have never believed (unlike Greene) that Ohio kids should get preference because they bleed scarlet and gray.
 
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RB07OSU said:
The Armstrong twins need time to develop, not worried there really. But Nave was always a bit of a head scratcher to me. Felt like we took an Ohio OL for the sake of taking an Ohio OL...but maybe dropping bad weight will help.
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I think Nave can excel at IOL, if he can get down to 300-305, but he is a project. Especially in pass protection. But most OL are.

Abenaki said:
Is anyone's OL recruiting at that level?

Seems like I've read or heard there could be 6 OL in this class? I'm gonna let Frye finish this cycle before I get to fired up about it.
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No, not at all! If OL was on par with WR then we’re talking about multiple NCs.
And agree, let Frye finish the class and develop the talent once they hit campus.

And @LordJeffBuck and @Crump's brother , I think that Greene’s biggest knock on the OL is that they’re OSU commits, and guys that commit to school of that caliber should be expected to dominate the DL that were at the camp. Especially since it seems that the only elite DL there was Brian Robinson and he didn’t face any of the OSU OL commits. The 2 guys who won DL MVP don’t even have offers from any big time programs that are in the NC hunt, and their major offers are at the Wisky and Iowa level. And the guys who won OL MVP are the pure definition of projects and we‘d view them in the same sentence as Leroux, Toutant and Henry. So not exactly a glowing impression on the Buckeye commits when they were beat out by guys who won’t even sniff an OSU offer, and are closer to MAC level
 
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BUT, in saying what I said above, it needs to be reiterated that These 3 are nowhere close to finished products, but are in the mold of what Frye is looking for in his OL. Guys like Ian Moore, Brandon Baker and Guerby Lambert are more polished versions of the Armstrong twins, but their body types are similar. And if Nave can control his weight and let Coach Mick mold him, he can be mauler like an Austin Siereveld or Josh Padilla. And also to put things in perspective, these guys are still in HS and have yet to play senior seasons which gives them another year to progress.
 
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pnuts34 said:
I think Nave can excel at IOL, if he can get down to 300-305, but he is a project. Especially in pass protection. But most OL are.


No, not at all! If OL was on par with WR then we’re talking about multiple NCs.
And agree, let Frye finish the class and develop the talent once they hit campus.

And @LordJeffBuck and @Crump's brother , I think that Greene’s biggest knock on the OL is that they’re OSU commits, and guys that commit to school of that caliber should be expected to dominate the DL that were at the camp. Especially since it seems that the only elite DL there was Brian Robinson and he didn’t face any of the OSU OL commits. The 2 guys who won DL MVP don’t even have offers from any big time programs that are in the NC hunt, and their major offers are at the Wisky and Iowa level. And the guys who won OL MVP are the pure definition of projects and we‘d view them in the same sentence as Leroux, Toutant and Henry. So not exactly a glowing impression on the Buckeye commits when they were beat out by guys who won’t even sniff an OSU offer, and are closer to MAC level
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I appreciate your response, and please know this isn't directed at you.

Guys at a camp who know where they are going may not go as hard as guys busting ass to get offers. Just like a 7 on 7, camps aren't real football. I don't know what Bill Greene's OL "bonafides" are, but unless he gets very granular I'm discounting his opinion. It's that time of year where these guys have to drum up content anyway.
 
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pnuts34 said:
BUT, in saying what I said above, it needs to be reiterated that These 3 are nowhere close to finished products, but are in the mold of what Frye is looking for in his OL. Guys like Ian Moore, Brandon Baker and Guerby Lambert are more polished versions of the Armstrong twins, but their body types are similar. And if Nave can control his weight and let Coach Mick mold him, he can be mauler like an Austin Siereveld or Josh Padilla. And also to put things in perspective, these guys are still in HS and have yet to play senior seasons which gives them another year to progress.
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Yeah, we are talking 3-4 years before they see the field at Ohio State.
 
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