tOSU Recruiting Discussion

[RB07OSU]

FWIW, Birm said he's been told that they had Lyle higher on the board than Tatum. He also said he thinks the staff has learned some lessons after missing some guys and if a guy you have near the top of the board wants to commit, you take the commitment. He also said that Peoples and SWD were the guys recruiting him hard to go ahead and commit.

The bolded I love if true, my biggest concern was that Lyle may drive off Peoples. Peoples is RB1 by a mile in this class in my eyes, I like Lyle a ton but Peoples just checks all the boxes you want for an RB. If we can get all 3, then get it.

 

[pnuts34]

 

[Bestbuck36]

Ewww. We're behind NC, MD and MS!?!?

Brutal

 

[pnuts34]

Ewww. We're behind NC, MD abs MS!?!?

Brutal

It's honestly not that surprising, with so many people leaving northern states for southern ones. And MD and NC have always had a bunch of football talent. Spring football would help OH, but only so much. We should at least be on the list. But AL has produced a good amount of elite talent in the last 5-10yrs. Bama hasn't even had to leave the state for some really elite talent for example.

 

[buckeyebri]

It's honestly not that surprising, with so many people leaving northern states for southern ones. And MD and NC have always had a bunch of football talent. Spring football would help OH, but only so much. We should at least be on the list. But AL has produced a good amount of elite talent in the last 5-10yrs. Bama hasn't even had to leave the state for some really elite talent for example.

I’ve seen articles around what you’re pointing out here with the migration out of the rust belt. Time was when a good portion of the top CFB players came from Ohio and PA. Times change. Who knows it could swing back some day.

 

[pnuts34]

I’ve seen articles around what you’re pointing out here with the migration out of the rust belt. Time was when a good portion of the top CFB players came from Ohio and PA. Times change. Who knows it could swing back some day.

Anything is possible. And I don’t want to take this convo down a social- economic direction on an OSU forum. But companies are moving to the south in droves due to tax breaks, and people will follow where the jobs are moving.

 

[sflbuck]

The US Census Bureau 2021 estimate (most current data) of the number of males ages 15 to 19 per state is as follows:
(I have rounded to the nearest 1000's, also including only the relevant states)

AL 168,000
CA. 1,356,000
FL. 638,000
GA. 393,000
IL. 436,000
LA. 153,000
MD 198,000
SCUM STATE. 336,000
MS. 112,000
NC. 363,000
OH. 394,000
PA. 420,000
SC 179,000
TN. 226,000
TX. 1,101,000

Data clearly shows that except for TX and CA, something other than population and population trends are responsible for the data on the most top 50 draft picks by home state.

 

[pnuts34]

The US Census Bureau 2021 estimate (most current data) of the number of males ages 15 to 19 per state is as follows:
(I have rounded to the nearest 1000's, also including only the relevant states)

AL 168,000
CA. 1,356,000
FL. 638,000
GA. 393,000
IL. 436,000
LA. 153,000
MD 198,000
SCUM STATE. 336,000
MS. 112,000
NC. 363,000
OH. 394,000
PA. 420,000
SC 179,000
TN. 226,000
TX. 1,101,000

Data clearly shows that except for TX and CA, something other than population and population trends are responsible for the data on the most top 50 draft picks by home state.

Spring football is the biggest difference. OH kids are losing the development time

 

[DaveyBoy]

Spring football is the biggest difference. OH kids are losing the development time

Not sure I agree on that. Spring football may help a little but Ohio and the Midwest don’t have the same demographics as the Southeast and West

 

[calibuck]

Other elements certainly apply (spring ball, better coaching, ability to get outdoors, etc), but the law of large numbers should indicate that there will be more athletic, better athletes in the larger population areas. If an elite athlete occurs once in every 500 opportunities, (just for illustrative purposes only), then voila, a 15-19 population segment should yield substantially more than a 300,000 population compared to a 1,100,000 one. Cannot beat statistics. Great find stflbuck!

 

[pnuts34]

Not sure I agree on that. Spring football may help a little but Ohio and the Midwest don’t have the same demographics as the Southeast and West

Other elements certainly apply (spring ball, better coaching, ability to get outdoors, etc), but the law of large numbers should indicate that there will be more athletic, better athletes in the larger population areas. If an elite athlete occurs once in every 500 opportunities, (just for illustrative purposes only), then voila, a 15-19 population segment should yield substantially more than a 300,000 population compared to a 1,100,000 one. Cannot beat statistics. Great find stflbuck!

I think @sflbuck ‘s stats counter the numbers point that I previously made and that you 2 are making. The SE states don’t have large numbers, and have almost half the amount of OH. For example: GA had 1000 less boys and yet had the 3rd most draft picks.
But being able to play football year round goes a very long ways in development. An OL doing blocking drills in February, or QBs and skill position players being able to work on routes is huge when you’re competing for a scholarship against a guy from a state lIke OH where kids are wrestling playing basketball or just allowed to lift weights.

 

[DaveyBoy]

I think @sflbuck ‘s stats counter the numbers point that I previously made and that you 2 are making. The SE states don’t have large numbers, and have almost half the amount of OH. For example: GA had 1000 less boys and yet had the 3rd most draft picks.
But being able to play football year round goes a very long ways in development. An OL doing blocking drills in February, or QBs and skill position players being able to work on routes is huge when you’re competing for a scholarship against a guy from a state lIke OH where kids are wrestling playing basketball or just allowed to lift weights.

Georgia may have 1,000 boys fewer than Ohio but I bet they have hundreds of thousands more Black people than Ohio and half of those are boys.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

I would like to see the same "Draft picks by State" for all the other major sports leagues.

 

[NastyNatiBuck]

I think @sflbuck ‘s stats counter the numbers point that I previously made and that you 2 are making. The SE states don’t have large numbers, and have almost half the amount of OH. For example: GA had 1000 less boys and yet had the 3rd most draft picks.
But being able to play football year round goes a very long ways in development. An OL doing blocking drills in February, or QBs and skill position players being able to work on routes is huge when you’re competing for a scholarship against a guy from a state lIke OH where kids are wrestling playing basketball or just allowed to lift weights.

I've heard it said that Georgia high school football coaches get paid unusually well, which has attracted talented coaches to the state. A higher level of coaching would also contribute to the discrepancy in results between Georgia and Ohio.

 

[cassidy28]

I encourage everyone to listen to the episode of buckeyescoop(I know not everyone is a fan but I am when BG is on) with Bill Greene about the camp. He gives the honest truth about what he saw in the camp about the o-line and the rest of the Ohio State prospects there. BG is one of the best in the business and knows Ohio prospects.