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tOSU Recruiting Discussion

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wadc45 said:
From a objective position analysis I might agree. From looking at the guys in the example I gave (Tufele/Smith) I'm not sure that I do.

Either way it's a good question and the answer will likely be differently from year to year because it depends on current depth and currently committed recruits.
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Alabama stockpiles guys like Smith. Michigan has some good DTs but does not have a logjam of supers like Bama.

Taking Tufele from Michigan may be more beneficial for OSU than taking Trey Smith from Alabama, even though Tufele is not regarded as highly.

OSU also has whiffed at DT for years until this not yet enrolled class. They have not done so at OT and so while Smith would be a monster pickup, he is arguably the least valuable 5-star on the list despite being the highest ranked.

I agree with your overall post, just giving my reactions and feelings.
 
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wadc45 said:
From a objective position analysis I might agree. From looking at the guys in the example I gave (Tufele/Smith) I'm not sure that I do.

Either way it's a good question and the answer will likely be differently from year to year because it depends on current depth and currently committed recruits.
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jwinslow said:
DT and it's not close.

Great tackles are extremely valuable but elite DTs are more rare. They're also a lot harder to find up north. The SEC comes up here regularly for OL. The south has the market cornered on DTs and that's where the true SEC speed lies.

There's also the matter of OL rankings being pretty iffy when it comes to HS recruits, arguably moreso than any other position. I don't have meaningful data to back that up but it's arguably the hardest position to scout for incredible college scouts and coaches so it makes sense that website gurus would struggle also.

Give me the team with the elite DTs all day. I can get by with Darryl Baldwin at RT (and frankly they win another NC last year if he had another year). I can't get by with Darryl Baldwin at DT.
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Probable OSU class, updated scout rankings

9 ***** 11 **** 1 *** 16 top-100 4.38 avg star

Ovr | Star | Position | Name | (Prev OVR, pos)

04 | 5* #2 RB Akers (23, #3)... up 19
11 | 5* #1 S Okudah (12, #1)... up 01
14 | 5* #1 OG Davis (24, #2)... up 10
19 | 5* #1 MLB Hines (15, #1).. dn 04
23 | 5* #5 OT Myers (17, #4)... dn 06
24 | 5* #3 WR Grimes (71, #9).. up 47
25 | 5* #2 OLB Browning (20, #1) dn 5
26 | 5* #2 QB Martell (14, #1). dn 12
28 | 5* #3 DE Young (28, #2)... same.
37 | 4* #5 WR Lindsey (31, #3). dn 06
41 | 4* #3 DT Garrett (32, #2). dn 09
53 | 4* #4 CB S.Wade (46, #4).. dn 07
72 | 4* #4 ATH Dobbins (78, #7) up 06
75 | 4* #6 S Pryor (72, #5).... dn 03
91 | 4* #10 CB Riep (91, #10).. same.
94 | 4* #15 OT Moretti (94, #15) dn 43
106| 4* #11 CB Williamson (98, #11) dn 8
153| 4* #09 ATH White ..not updated yet
206| 4* #14 DT Cage ....not updated yet
275| 4* #22 OLB Simmons.not updated yet
NR | 4* #26 QB Clark....not updated yet
NR | 3* #01 K Haubeil....not updated yet

Gray = OSU near top, Scarlet = OSU leads, RedBold = Verbal

Possible but longshots:

20 | #4 OT T.Smith (06, #2). dn 14
35 | #2 DT Tufele (41, #3).. up 06


jwinslow said:
A month has passed and somehow things look even better, with Wyatt Davis jumping on board and Trey Smith being a credible (but heavily contested) possibility for this class. This first breakdown is based on them missing on Smith (and Tufele)

8 ***** 12 **** 1 *** 17 top-100 4.35 avg star

***** - 12 - #1 S - Jeffrey Okudah - OSU leads , august verbal?
***** - 14 - #1 QB - Tate Martell - verbal
***** - 17 - #4 OT - Josh Myers - verbal
***** - 20 - #1 OLB - Baron Browning - OSU near top.
***** - 23 - #3 RB - Cam Akers - does OSU lead?
***** - 24 - #2 OG - Wyatt Davis - verbal
***** - 26 - #2 DE - Chase Young - Will OSU hold off Maryland and others?
***** - 15 - # 1 ILB - Anthony Hines - Might OSU lead?
**** .. - 31 - #3 WR - Tyjon Lindsey - OSU leads , august verbal?
**** .. - 32 - #2 DT - Haskell Garrett - verbal
**** .. - 46 - #4 CB - Shaun Wade - (soft) verbal
**** .. - 51 - #10 OT - Jake Moretti - verbal
**** .. - 71 - #9 WR - Trevon Grimes - OSU leads big, deciding soon
**** .. - 72 - #5 S - Isaiah Pryor - verbal
**** .. - 78 - #7 ATH - J.K. Dobbins - verbal
**** .. - 91 - #10 CB - Amir Riep - OSU once led, Sparty looming.
**** .. - 98 - #11 CB - Marcus Williamson - verbal
**** .. - 153 - #9 OLB - Brendon White - verbal
**** .. - 205 - #14 DT - Jerron Cage - verbal
**** .. - 274 - #22 OLB - Antjuan Simmons - verbal

*** .. - NR - #1 K - Blake Haubeil - verbal

Grayshirt to 2018? **** .. - NR - NR QB - Danny Clark - grayshirt? regular signee? Unknown.

Possible additions:
*****. - 06 - #2 OT - Trey Smith - OSU makes top 6, tough battle but they have a puncher's chance.
**** .. - 41 - #3 DT - Jay Tufele - keeps saying OSU leads, many skeptical but OSU in the mix.

If they add those two:
9 ***** 13 **** 1 *** 19 top-100 4.33 avg star


Next tier of prospects, downgraded based on their likelihood to sign at OSU:
***** - 01 - #1 RB - Najee Harris - likely sticks with Bama but OSU in the mix
***** - 08 - #1 CB - Darnay Holmes - likely Stanford but OSU in the mix.
***** - 09 - #1 DT - Marvin Wilson - OSU a late arrival, right in the mix, no one predicting they sign him at this point
***** - 18 - #3 CB - Lamont Wade - OSU once led big, will PA schools win?
**** .. - 61 - #4 ATH - Jamyest Williams - OSU in the mix for tough southern battle.
**** .. - 104 - #15 WR - Jaylen Harris - may wait too long to join OSU
**** .. - 149 - #8 OG - Darnell Ewell - a possible plan B at DT if a spot or two opens up.

Here was the mid-june update:
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Probable OSU class, updated scout rankings

9 ***** 11 **** 1 *** 16 top-100 4.38 avg star

Ovr | Star | Position | Name | (Prev OVR, pos)

04 | 5* #2 RB Akers
11 | 5* #1 S Okudah
14 | 5* #1 OG Davis
19 | 5* #1 MLB Hines
23 | 5* #5 OT Myers
24 | 5* #3 WR Grimes
25 | 5* #2 OLB Browning
26 | 5* #2 QB Martell
28 | 5* #3 DE Young
37 | 4* #5 WR Lindsey
41 | 4* #3 DT Garrett
53 | 4* #4 CB S.Wade
72 | 4* #4 ATH Dobbins
75 | 4* #6 S Pryor
91 | 4* #10 CB Riep
94 | 4* #15 OT Moretti
106| 4* #11 CB Williamson
153| 4* #09 ATH White
206| 4* #14 DT Cage
275| 4* #22 OLB Simmons
NR | 4* #26 QB Clark
NR | 3* #01 K Haubeil

Gray = OSU near top, Scarlet = OSU leads, RedBold = Verbal

Possible but longshots:

20 | #4 OT T.Smith (06, #2). dn 14
35 | #2 DT Tufele (41, #3).. up 06
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
So in regards to our pursuit of Akers at RB, does this mean we're looking at Dobbins as more of an ATH than RB?
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No, Dobbins can do both and at a high level. They just want both.

This is more of a major upgrade over Sibley, who is a good football player but not a superstar (on paper) like Akers.

Of course they'll have to risk upsetting Dobbins to try and sign Akers. When JK verballed, he was joining a small RB room of Sibley, Williams and Weber, especially since Weber might be gone before JK's 2nd year. Joining a class with a superstar back in his year is another matter.

They should get Lindsey as their H back to pair with McCall.
 
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jwinslow said:
No, Dobbins can do both and at a high level. They just want both.

This is more of a major upgrade over Sibley, who is a good football player but not a superstar (on paper) like Akers.

Of course they'll have to risk upsetting Dobbins to try and sign Akers. When JK verballed, he was joining a small RB room of Sibley, Williams and Weber, especially since Weber might be gone before JK's 2nd year. Joining a class with a superstar back in his year is another matter.

They should get Lindsey as their H back to pair with McCall.
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Do you think the signing of Akers would really upset Dobbins? I figured the staff told him upfront that he would be in the class with another RB. I see Dobbins as every bit the superstar RB that Akers is, just different skill sets. Especially after seeing him tear up the Opening against the nation's best
 
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pnuts34 said:
Do you think the signing of Akers would really upset Dobbins? I figured the staff told him upfront that he would be in the class with another RB. I see Dobbins as every bit the superstar RB that Akers is, just different skill sets. Especially after seeing him tear up the Opening against the nation's best
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I don't think it's a certainty, but there was always the threat of him looking around as a super recruit from across the country. This would give him a good excuse. I would bet he thinks about it but sticks.
 
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leroyjenkins said:
Do you take Akers at the risk of pissing off Dobbins? Personally I LOVE Dobbins's game, and think he could have a similar career as Zeke.
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IMO, yes. And have a talk with Dobbins consisting of Meyer and Alford being honest and upfront with him. That's all they can do. If he signs at OSU, he has every opportunity to play RB and flourish, and Akers will also be provided that same opportunity as OSU is about winning NCs, and if he wants to be apart of a very special class and possibly win multiple NCs, he should stay in this class and compete.
Looking at the schools he's also considering(Bama, Texas, Oklahoma and FSU), all but Texas already have a RB committed, so he will be entering competition in his class practically everywhere he goes. At least come to OSU and be apart of possibly the greatest recruiting class ever, and set yourself up for an NC, and then the NFL.
 
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