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tOSU Recruiting Discussion

Buckeye86;2130675; said:
:lol:

I didn't realize trolling questions warranted manly answers. My bad.


I had the same take? Lazy Friday..throw out some silly/trolling comments and now you are suppose to man up??? Did we just establish a new internet phenomenon...unmanly trolls versus manly trolls :tongue2:
 
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Buckeye86;2130675; said:
:lol:
I didn't realize trolling questions warranted manly answers. My bad.

I guess we'll have to disagree on that one, for all the reasons that have already been covered.

Asking short direct question in an attempt to prevent the kind of deflecting you resorted to is not trolling.

Your reasons have nothing to do with buchtel's reasoning. He chooses not to list kids commited to other schools. There is absolutely no double standard. You stuck your foot in your mouth and are trying to argue your way out of it.

Frohlich;2130677; said:
I had the same take?

Who are you asking?


Brutus1;2130680; said:
Stop acting like you're all Tom Luginbill.

Now there's no need to be insulting!
 
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Muck;2130683; said:
Your reasons have nothing to do with buchtel's reasoning. He chooses not to list kids commited to other schools. There is absolutely no double standard. You stuck your foot in your mouth and are trying to argue your way out of it.

buchtelgrad04;2130524; said:
I'll add Thomas once I see fit. Once he visits or is quoted as saying something regarding tOSU. I don't see it proper to add him to the list when he's a member of a different class & there's no solid info on him switching currently. All info out there is opinion, right now. It's a long way to go.

Thomas has said "something" regarding OSU. He said he might visit to see his cousin. He has to be careful not to say too much due to the "no visit" rule from Fred, but that is clearly "something".

I consider Bill Greene saying he expects Dymonte to switch to be about as solid as recruiting info gets. That may be his opinion, but it is an opinion based on being intimately familiar with the situation.

So, two out of three of the criteria for including him are met, and that ain't bad.
 
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My first, way too early, "guess"....

QB: JT Barrett
QB: Malik Zaire
RB: Derrick Green
RB: Ezekial Elliott
WR: Robert Foster
WR: Shelton Gibson
TE: Josh McNeil
TE: Mike Heuerman
OL: Evan Lisle
OL: Ethan Pocic
OL: John Montelus

DT: Billy Price
DT: Greg Webb
LB: Courtney Love
LB: Alex Anzalone
DB: Cameron Burrows
DB: Eli Woodard
DB: Dymonte Thomas
ATH: Jalin Marshall
 
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MD Buckeye;2132377; said:
My first, way too early, "guess"....

QB: JT Barrett
QB: Malik Zaire
RB: Derrick Green
RB: Ezekial Elliott
WR: Robert Foster
WR: Shelton Gibson
TE: Josh McNeil
TE: Mike Heuerman
OL: Evan Lisle
OL: Ethan Pocic
OL: John Montelus

DT: Billy Price
DT: Greg Webb
LB: Courtney Love
LB: Alex Anzalone
DB: Cameron Burrows
DB: Eli Woodard
DB: Dymonte Thomas
ATH: Jalin Marshall

Should have waited a couple of minutes.. :wink2:
 
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MD Buckeye;2132386; said:
:lol:

as I said, way too early :p

:slappy:

I would not be surprised if there is a new method of madness so to speak for the 2013 class for Urban and co. starting next month. I think they're seeing a lot of "plan b" and some "plan a" guys committing so early, and I think the staff was caught off guard with some of them. I think we may see some more pushing for commitments starting with spring visits and into the summer camps/visits.

Maybe even starting with JT Barrett with his visit tomorrow.

(Note: I don't think Barrett will commit this week, but I do think we stand in good position with him and he's talked about being a spring/summer commit and it may not be far off after a couple of other visits)

EDIT: I'm going to do another projection in a few weeks, and I'm sorta kicking myself because I almost put Barrett in for Zaire and left Bivins off my list the last time.
 
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maximumblitz;2132552; said:
What about the most important play in football? The punt.

Are we going to just go for it on fourth down?

Or are we jut going to score before we get to fourth down?

Don't get crazy here. Next you're going to suggest that the new staff might abandon our time-tested Run-Run-Pass-Punt offensive playbook.

(and that's not the name of the playbook. That's the entire playbook.)
 
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BearBuck27;2132392; said:
I would not be surprised if there is a new method of madness so to speak for the 2013 class for Urban and co. starting next month. I think they're seeing a lot of "plan b" and some "plan a" guys committing so early, and I think the staff was caught off guard with some of them. I think we may see some more pushing for commitments starting with spring visits and into the summer camps/visits.
Here are my thoughts on Coach Meyer's "method of madness".

First, Coach Meyer will not offer Michigan-level kids just because they are from Ohio and bleed scarlet and grey. Coach Meyer is going to pursue kids who can complete with the SEC heavyweights and win national championships, and who will return Ohio State to truly elite status.

Coach Tressel often did favor Ohio kids, and as a result he ended up with quite a few borderline talents. While Tressel's strategy forced Michigan to offer even lower level Ohio prospects, it did not really maximize Ohio State's potential, because the staff were pursuing less-talented local kids in lieu of more talented national kids.

Second, although a certain Ohio State "insider" seems to think that Brady Hoke is the second coming of Bo Schembechler, in fact Hoke has merely returned Michigan's recruiting to the level that it was under Lloyd Carr ... that is, not good enough to beat Ohio State on a consistent basis. Michigan will recruit well under Hoke, but they will continue to lag in elite talent as compared to Ohio State. Just compare the teams' 2012 recruiting classes - while the overall talent level of the two classes is almost equal, Ohio State has far more players with elite talent, and those players will be the difference between the two programs going forward. And the trend continues in 2013, with Ohio State simply refusing to pursue kids who do not project as elite athletes at the college level.

Third, while filling up your recruiting class in March may give you something to crow about in the off-season, it doesn't necessarily help you in the long run - it's kind of like returning the open kickoff for a touchdown, and we all know how those contests can sometimes turn out. In fact, it can be rather risky filling up your class too soon, as you don't know how your commitments will fare during their senior years, and you don't have as much room for the "sleeper" prospects and "late bloomers" who inevitably emerge. While Michigan has a big recruiting lead over Ohio State now, they have accomplished their lead largely with players who were not offered by the Buckeyes, and there is still more than enough time for the Buckeyes to recover with even better prospects.

Finally, the 2013 recruiting class presents some unique challenges for Ohio State, one being that there are only about fifteen slots currently available for this class, and five of those slots have already been filled. Although there has been some attrition since Coach Meyer took over, there will likely be more attrition after spring practice ... but until that attrition actually takes place, the staff has to be careful with offers due to the low number of slots available. Moreover, Coach Meyer has not yet been able to coach the players currently on the team, so in some sense he doesn't really know what he has to work with. After the end of spring practice, the staff will have a better idea of how many slots they have available, and which positions they need to target.

As an Ohio State fan, just ignore the chatter coming from Michigan Man right now - it never really stops anyway, even when the Wolverines are in the midst of a 3-9 season - because it will at least die down a bit as our class gradually eclipses theirs, just like it did in 2012.
 
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Here are my thoughts on Coach Meyer's "method of madness".

First, Coach Meyer will not offer Michigan-level kids just because they are from Ohio and bleed scarlet and grey. Coach Meyer is going to pursue kids who can complete with the SEC heavyweights and win national championships, and who will return Ohio State to truly elite status.

Coach Tressel often did favor Ohio kids, and as a result he ended up with quite a few borderline talents. While Tressel's strategy forced Michigan to offer even lower level Ohio prospects, it did not really maximize Ohio State's potential, because the staff were pursuing less-talented local kids in lieu of more talented national kids.

Second, although a certain Ohio State "insider" seems to think that Brady Hoke is the second coming of Bo Schembechler, in fact Hoke has merely returned Michigan's recruiting to the level that it was under Lloyd Carr ... that is, not good enough to beat Ohio State on a consistent basis. Michigan will recruit well under Hoke, but they will continue to lag in elite talent as compared to Ohio State. Just compare the teams' 2012 recruiting classes - while the overall talent level of the two classes is almost equal, Ohio State has far more players with elite talent, and those players will be the difference between the two programs going forward. And the trend continues in 2013, with Ohio State simply refusing to pursue kids who do not project as elite athletes at the college level.

Third, while filling up your recruiting class in March may give you something to crow about in the off-season, it doesn't necessarily help you in the long run - it's kind of like returning the open kickoff for a touchdown, and we all know how those contests can sometimes turn out. In fact, it can be rather risky filling up your class too soon, as you don't know how your commitments will fare during their senior years, and you don't have as much room for the "sleeper" prospects and "late bloomers" who inevitably emerge. While Michigan has a big recruiting lead over Ohio State now, they have accomplished their lead largely with players who were not offered by the Buckeyes, and there is still more than enough time for the Buckeyes to recover with even better prospects.

Finally, the 2013 recruiting class presents some unique challenges for Ohio State, one being that there are only about fifteen slots currently available for this class, and five of those slots have already been filled. Although there has been some attrition since Coach Meyer took over, there will likely be more attrition after spring practice ... but until that attrition actually takes place, the staff has to be careful with offers due to the low number of slots available. Moreover, Coach Meyer has not yet been able to coach the players currently on the team, so in some sense he doesn't really know what he has to work with. After the end of spring practice, the staff will have a better idea of how many slots they have available, and which positions they need to target.

As an Ohio State fan, just ignore the chatter coming from Michigan Man right now - it never really stops anyway, even when the Wolverines are in the midst of a 3-9 season - because it will at least die down a bit as our class gradually eclipses theirs, just like it did in 2012.
GPA?
 
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