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DaBears;2062439; said:
If I am a player not named Tebow on the Broncos I would be [censored] about how little credit my teammates not named Tebow are getting.

Wow really? Your QB has made six 4th quarter comebacks and your team is in first place in your division..and your bitching? He always gives credit to everyone else..and your bitching? Not feeling like you are getting enough "Me" time? Why is Terrell Owens posting on BP?

How can someone have more hate for Tebow than John Elway? Watching Donko boy suffering through a winning season and watching his dream of a "Real QB" fading away..is all I need to root for the kid with heart.
 
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Jake;2062938; said:
While Tebow's TD/INT ratio is good (11/2) he is a classic example of the QB getting too much blame for losses and, more importantly, too much credit for wins.

He is completing a laughable 48.5% of his passes for a triple optionesque 117 yards per game. He has benefitted from an onside kick, a running back foolishly going out of bounds to stop the clock, and a couple of 60 yard field goals, among other things. Trading punches with Matt Moore and Caleb Hanie doesn't hurt, either.

Enjoy the Teboners, but even Viagra wears off after 4 hours (or so I've heard). Barring significant improvement in actually being an NFL caliber passer, Tebow's magic carpet ride is destined to crash sooner, not later.
In the 4th quarter...

Dude is 49 of 80 passing (61.3%) with 732 yards (average of 9.something per attempt) 6 TDs/1 INT and 6 come-from-behind wins.

He also has (in the 4th quarter) 33 carries for 193 yards (5.8 average) and 2 TDs.

I get what you're saying, there has been luck involved (always is) but can't you, just as a football fan, enjoy what the guy is doing? I mean, he wasn't supposed to do anything close to this.. and while you may be right about his "magic carpet ride" ending sooner rather than later, it's still been a pretty cool ride to watch.

I'm not a Tebow "fan" nor am I a "hater".. just calling it like I see it.. at the end of the day, it's not life or death.. it's a game. It's a game man.. enjoy it.
 
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HorseshoeFetish;2062941; said:
Wow really? Your QB has made six 4th quarter comebacks and your team is in first place in your division..and your bitching? He always gives credit to everyone else..and your bitching? Not feeling like you are getting enough "Me" time? Why is Terrell Owens posting on BP?
Do you really not understand why a group of people would get pissed when one person is getting credit for their achievements?
 
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Buckeye513;2062949; said:
Do you really not understand why a group of people would get [censored]ed when one person is getting credit for their achievements?
I would think they rather keep winning and let the media do what they do, generate ratings. Tebow is a lot like tOSU football.. moves the dial.

The media is what it is, and us Buckeyes ought to know that by now. I doubt the players in that locker room really give two [Mark May]s what Skip Bayless or any other yahoo on ESPiN think..

Now if Tebow was reading his own press clippings - I can see that causing problems in the locker room.. find that hard to believe.

(I feel gross sticking up for Tebow, but hey, it's fun as hell to watch week after week)
 
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Bleed S & G;2062945; said:
In the 4th quarter...

Dude is 49 of 80 passing (61.3%) with 732 yards (average of 9.something per attempt) 6 TDs/1 INT and 6 come-from-behind wins.

He also has (in the 4th quarter) 33 carries for 193 yards (5.8 average) and 2 TDs.

I get what you're saying, there has been luck involved (always is) but can't you, just as a football fan, enjoy what the guy is doing? I mean, he wasn't supposed to do anything close to this.. and while you may be right about his "magic carpet ride" ending sooner rather than later, it's still been a pretty cool ride to watch.

I'm not a Tebow "fan" nor am I a "hater".. just calling it like I see it.. at the end of the day, it's not life or death.. it's a game. It's a game man.. enjoy it.

I neither enjoy it nor hate it. I'm not a Broncos fan. I'm not a Broncos hater.

I'm just looking at the facts and they suggest that over the long term this short term success is not sustainable without significant improvement.
 
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Buckeye513;2062949; said:
Do you really not understand why a group of people would get [censored]ed when one person is getting credit for their achievements?

No I don't understand it..Why don't you try and explain it to me? I just think it's funny that a bears fan says that people in the Bronco locker room should be pissed, and even funnier that someone else is defending that position.

I love how in the current day and age of football the QB gets all the credit and all the blame..But people don't want to give him credit at all. The dude is 7-1 this year..And clutch in the fourth..The denver mint is now stamping every 4th quarter produced with "In Tebow We Trust".

And as far as I can tell The Broncos' D is getting plenty of talk..not unlike Baltimore a few years back..the names just aren't as well known yet.
 
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HorseshoeFetish;2062961; said:
No I don't understand it..Why don't you try and explain it to me? I just think it's funny that a bears fan says that people in the Bronco locker room should be [censored]ed, and even funnier that someone else is defending that position.

I love how in the current day and age of football the QB gets all the credit and all the blame..But people don't want to give him credit at all. The dude is 7-1 this year..And clutch in the fourth..The denver mint is now stamping every 4th quarter produced with "In Tebow We Trust".

And as far as I can tell The Broncos' D is getting plenty of talk..not unlike Baltimore a few years back..the names just aren't as well known yet.

I think Tebow would be the first to say that his teammates do not get enough credit. It is not Tebow's fault that everyone only talks about him and I think it is a credit to him as a teammate that he always tries to mention everyone else. Still, if I'm on that team, if I'm Matt Prater, Von Miller, or anyone else, I think it would be hard to not get a little annoyed with everyone in the country ignoring your achievements and hard work and only talking about Tebow. No one can argue that Tebow is clutch in the fourth, but his teammates are often carrying him through the first three quarters. As Lebron knows, you are eventually going to need to play well in all four quarters.

Lastly, Tebow has been getting a ton of breaks and eventually that's going to stop. Recovering onside kicks, playing Caleb Hanie, Matt Moore, a fresh off the couch Carson Palmer and Kyle Boller, Christian Ponder, a shell shocked Phillip Rivers, Matt Cassell etc etc. Just like someone whose is hot at the craps table, eventually those breaks go away. I look forward to seeing Tebow play against a good, healthy team and I hope the Broncos beat the Steelers or Ravens in the first round of the playoffs.
 
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zincfinger;2062899; said:
For those of you who haven't had enough Tebow: from the WSJ (a couple days old).

revealing the deep-seated anxieties in American society about the intertwining of religion and sports.

Would this be similar to the deep-seated anxiety Americans have about the intertwining of religion and rap music? I seem to recall more than one Grammy award acceptance speech that included a shout-out thank you to some deity or other. It happens...:ohwell:

DaBears;2063014; said:
I look forward to seeing Tebow play against a good, healthy team...

Dec 18 - NE @ DEN - Sports Authority Field at Mile High - 4:15 PM - CBS
 
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GomerBucks;2062499; said:
It is astonishing to me how people like to bash a man who isn't afraid of telling people he believes in God and Jesus despite that really not being considered "cool" It's not like he is sitting in your living room, passing out literature.

Well, Tim sorta does end up in our living rooms, actually--only way I have ever seen him. How one reacts to Tebow's expression of his beliefs depends largely on how an individual experiences that expression. What feels humble and genuine to one may feel like overzealous proselytizing to another. And your reaction is all about how it feels to you.

Kind of like this:

Granted, the line here is blurred and subjective, but I do think there is a difference between "sharing" and "shoving". If you don't believe me, try to apply this to an everyday situation in your own life. Offer to share your dessert with someone and then shove pie up their nose. Then note how they react to "sharing" vs. "shoving"
 
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localyokel;2063156; said:
Would this be similar to the deep-seated anxiety Americans have about the intertwining of religion and rap music? I seem to recall more than one Grammy award acceptance speech that included a shout-out thank you to some deity or other. It happens...:ohwell:
For some reason the intertwining of religion and porn gets folks really anxious too.
 
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Jake;2062954; said:
I neither enjoy it nor hate it. I'm not a Broncos fan. I'm not a Broncos hater.

I'm just looking at the facts and they suggest that over the long term this short term success is not sustainable without significant improvement.

Here is a reasonably understandable dissection of just what it is that fuels "Tebow Time" - a rare example of SBNation getting close to the mark. Tebow Time is Real, Fake & Meaningful All at Once.

The key grafs argue that if Tebow was pressured late in the manner he is pressured earlier in the game then there wouldn't be time for Tebow to have another Tebow Time:

Tim Tebow is fairly easy to neutralize for NFL defenses. At least until the final minutes of the game, where he has produced some improbable comeback wins this season. He can easily be stopped, so allow me to thoroughly demystify the idea of "Tebow Time."
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Once you understand and acknowledge that Tebow is currently incapable of beating attacking defenses that apply blitz pressure and force him to beat the scheme in small time windows with intelligent and accurate throws, the responsibility for the very existence of Tebow Time shifts to defensive coordinators. Despite early successes with pressure-based defense, opposing teams have consistently shifted to prevent and base defense packages on the closing minutes of games against the Broncos. This stubborn adherence to conventional late-game point prevention gives Tebow two things he needs to succeed: more time to see throws and more space to make throws or runs.
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So yes, Tebow Time is real, but when you understand the fundamental cause it becomes about something other than Tebow himself. That's because Tebow Time is fake. Like every other non-elite quarterback that has ever worn an NFL uniform, the winning isn't really about him, and it never will be. The meaning behind the phenomenon ultimately lies in the cookie-cutter approach defensive coordinators have chosen to take when it comes to stopping the comebacks. When the league finally adjusts, I have a feeling the clock will strike midnight and he will turn back into a pumpkin. Tebow Time will be no more.
 
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