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Tim Beck (HC Coastal Carolina)

'IT'S EVERYBODY': OHIO STATE'S HORRID OFFENSIVE DISPLAY AGAINST CLEMSON PUTS TIM BECK AND URBAN MEYER UNDER MICROSCOPE

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Tim Beck knew the questions were coming. Tucked away in a corner of a locker room at University of Phoenix Stadium, he stood up straight and took the heat from reporters after the group he helps coach produced next to nothing in Ohio State's stunning 31-0 loss to Clemson in the Fiesta Bowl.

“It's all of it. It's personnel, it's everything. It all ties into guys when you're running an offense, sometimes there are tendencies,” Beck said. “That just happens. It's natural. Every football team has that type of stuff. Sometimes that takes place, personally.”

Fans flamed Beck after Ohio State's 17-14 loss to Michigan State last season that blew another chance at a Big Ten and national title. It happened again this year when the Buckeyes lost 24-21 to Penn State but the Buckeyes still earned their way to the College Football Playoff.

But everything ferociously came tumbling down against Clemson, when it was clear early on that the offense was not suited to score enough points to keep pace. The fact is, that was the case all season — the Tigers just exposed it even further.

“I think we got to create an identity of what we want to be,” Beck said.

It is odd that the 2016 season is over and the Buckeyes are still trying to create an identity on offense. Urban Meyer wants to see a power rushing attack set the ground work for play-action passing down the field. For that to happen, there must be a strong runner at tailback and an offensive line that can move people on the interior. Ohio State did nothing of the sort against Clemson, as the big guys up front were consistently outclassed.

Everything fell on J.T. Barrett's shoulders, who was often running for his life from the likes of Carlos Watkins, Christian Wilkins and others. When he had chances to make a play, his receivers weren't open, dropped passes, or he flat out missed them. Barrett has appeared hesitant all season. He did last year too even after winning the starting job back. As his position coach, that falls on Beck. The 2014 season seems like eons.

“As for myself, because that's all I can really talk about, I thought I worked really hard and prepped. Thought I had J.T. ready to go against a difficult defense,” Beck said. “I thought he played hard, he played tough. He made some mistakes as kids can do.”

Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...against-clemson-puts-tim-beck-and-urban-meyer
 
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Sure looked like it last night, we are going to have to agree to disagree.
When good players outperform great players, because the great players haven't been coached up like the good players were, then they look better.

Here are the total of 5-star and 4-star recruits per 247 for OSU and Clemson for the 2012-2016 classes:

OSU: 5 5-stars, 80 4-stars
Clem: 5 5-stars, 51 4-stars

Same amount of 5-star players and nearly 30 more 4-star players for Ohio State.
 
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When good players outperform great players, because the great players haven't been coached up like the good players were, then they look better.

Here are the total of 5-star and 4-star recruits per 247 for OSU and Clemson for the 2012-2016 classes:

OSU: 5 5-stars, 80 4-stars
Clem: 5 5-stars, 51 4-stars

Same amount of 5-star players and nearly 30 more 4-star players for Ohio State.
I could give two shits about ratings.

They had a more experienced team with very good players.

I trust my eyeballs over some glorified, jock-sniffer who rates 18 year-old boys.
 
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Well, it's ESPN, so. Here's are the 247 composite rankings for the last five full recruiting classes:

2016: OSU #4, Clemson #11
2015: OSU #7, Clemson #9
2014: OSU #3, Clemson #17
2013: OSU #2, Clemson #15
2012: OSU #5, Clemson #16

It wasn't Clemson that had the talent edge...

Puts things in perspective. The Defensive side of the ball has been coached up and developed. Not the case with the Offense.
 
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Well, it's ESPN, so. Here's are the 247 composite rankings for the last five full recruiting classes:

2016: OSU #4, Clemson #11
2015: OSU #7, Clemson #9
2014: OSU #3, Clemson #17
2013: OSU #2, Clemson #15
2012: OSU #5, Clemson #16

It wasn't Clemson that had the talent edge...
Sure looked like it last night, we are going to have to agree to disagree.
It's one thing to have highly ranked classes coming in. And if you look exclusively at class ratings, there's no doubt tOSU has more talent. But then reality hits. Some some kids become superstars, some are average, some flop. And then there is gameplan. And then there is guys who play well on a particular day. And then there is sheer luck.

We had several kids flop on the OL being forced to play when Jamarco Jones stepped on Michael Jordan's foot early in the game. JT throws being off, and drops by WR's when he made good throws also factor in.

Two positions that haven't had much production during UFM's tenure are DT and WR. Both were very apparent.

I guess what I am saying is, there we can't use class rankings to evaluate talent level. IMO the best evaluation of talent at the College level comes from the NFL draft over the next few years. But looking at the game, I do believe Clemson has more talent.
 
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Two positions that haven't had much production during UFM's tenure are DT and WR. Both were very apparent.
The WRs in 2014 were as good as any we had in a long time. As a group, they were better than 2006 or 2002. You have to go back to David Boston or Terry Glenn to find individual receivers who were better. They were playing in different style of offenses. Even Ginn/Gonzalez 2006 combo were not any better than Smith/Thomas 2014 combo.
 
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I could give two [Mark May]s about ratings.

They had a more experienced team with very good players.

I trust my eyeballs over some glorified, jock-sniffer who rates 18 year-old boys.

Do you think those players were more talented from the get-go? Sure they have guys like Watson and Williams but we have players like Hooker and Lattimore. The "talent disparity" is a result of one program developing their players better than the other. Clemson doesn't have an advantage in raw talent. Hopefully we can find some coaches who can develop and utilize it
 
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Well, it's ESPN, so. Here's are the 247 composite rankings for the last five full recruiting classes:

2016: OSU #4, Clemson #11
2015: OSU #7, Clemson #9
2014: OSU #3, Clemson #17
2013: OSU #2, Clemson #15
2012: OSU #5, Clemson #16

It wasn't Clemson that had the talent edge...

Sure looked like it last night, we are going to have to agree to disagree.

I agree with you both. Coming in to their college careers, Ohio State held the player talent edge. On the field against Clemson, Clemson held the edge. It's about player development (or development deficiencies) at Ohio State. The defense has progressed, the offense has regressed. That is why Urban Meyer needs to get a new offensive mind to run the offense.
 
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Sure looked like it last night, we are going to have to agree to disagree.
Ohio State's drives:

4 plays 3 yards, missed FG
7 plays 12 yards, missed FG
5 plays, 26 yards, punt
3 plays, 6 yards, punt
6 plays, 17 yards, punt
3 plays, 3 yards, punt
1 play, -1 yard, end of half

2 plays, 15 yards, fumble
3 plays, 4 yards, punt
4 plays, -4 yards, punt

At this point Ohio State was down 0-17 well into the 3rd quarter.

If you don't think Ohio State was right in the game with even slightly competent offense you're deliberately being ignorant.

Hell, if we just hit the first two field goals we're only down 11 deep into the third quarter, to say nothing of scoring a touchdown when you start with the ball in opposing territory.

You're stirring the pot with a hot take ESPN style. Enjoy that I guess, but it's not reality.
 
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