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Tim Beck (HC Coastal Carolina)

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I look at the offense at Ohio state the way I do my unit in the military.

We have the Squadron Commander (Head Coach) who is the face of it all and the final shot caller.

All crew positions (football unit positions) have their own "shop chief" (position coach) responsible for the development and judgement of their people.

Each squadron has a squadron superintendent that is responsible for the overall look and placement of the people in the squadron (think offensive coordinator).

Now the superintendent is supposed to have everyone dialed in and ensure he's giving the best recommendations to the Commander for the best decisions possible. Beck, imo, failed at preparing his QBs for the season, as well as not being assertive enough on who should be the starting qb. Sure he called some really bad plays against MSU, but the discombobulation and rotation of neither-prepared QBs really pissed me off. He should have been in a meeting with Meyer saying "look sir, I highly recommend we stick with this guy and go with it. I'll get him there." There's a difference between being directive and disrespectful. Beck to me just looks timid and awkward here at Ohio state in a key role.

That said, the fan inside me says "fire him and move on." The human being inside of me says, "give him another chance, this is a human beings career and income were talking about. It's not like we didn't do well this year."
 
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Using your analogy, SERE, mission-readiness is not negotiable.

I had the great pleasure of meeting Colonel Harlan Sanders when he opened his first KFC on Morse Road in the 1960s. He was there to meet the public but no one was showing up, so I got to sit alone with him asking him questions. He told me that he lost everything and had only his recipe to license to a couple of restaurants. He used that money and a loan to open his first KFC at the age of 65. He said that the desperate financial situation (I think he may have been insovent) appeared at first to be a tragedy but was instead the best thing that happened in his life. His advice to never give up stuck with me through very diifficult times in my life.

I'm sure that Coach Beck will land on his feet if he's shown the door.
 
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Steve19 said:
Using your analogy, SERE, mission-readiness is not negotiable.

I had the great pleasure of meeting Colonel Harlan Sanders when he opened his first KFC on Morse Road in the 1960s. He was there to meet the public but no one was showing up, so I got to spend about 15 minutes asking him questions. He told me that he lost everything and had only his recipe to license to a couple of restaurants. He used that money and a loan to open his first KFC at the age of 65. He said that the desperate financial situation (I think he may have been insovent) appeared at first to be a tragedy but was instead the best thing that happened in his life. His advice to never give up stuck with me through very diifficult times in my life.

I'm sure that Coach Beck will land on his feet if he's shown the door.
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Yes, he probably will land on his feet. Most of these guys do. Just not sure Beck's "recipe" won't give his next team Ptomaine.
 
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BUCKYLE said:
I don't pretend to know what the problem is. What I find ridiculous is how so many people are so sure they have all the answers. If it were so simple, then Urban allowed Beck to ruin a title run. I don't believe he'd do that.
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Herman leaves, Beck enters, the offense takes a huge step backwards. Warinner replaces Beck in the booth and the offense has their two best games all season. It really doesn't seem that tough to pinpoint the problem, even from the outside.
 
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I think Beck was more of a spectator this year than an integral part of the game plan..with all the returning talent Urban was probably more involved than it seemed. Beck was new and as someone said..UFM was not going to let Beck screw it up. If he leaves I will admit I am wrong but I see him returning with probably a bigger role because Ed has work to do on the Ol
 
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BUCKYLE said:
Things aren't always what they seem.
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muffler dragon said:
Nor can it be dismissed as a strong possibility.
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It's hard to ignore Zeke and Decker's comments after MSU. They certainly said Warriner was not the problem. Urban wanted to run tempo from the start of the season, he said this several times, but it didn't happen. It wasn't until MSU that the stuff about "communication" with the booth really rose to the surface. Understandably, Urban didn't want his OL coach in the booth, but that's where he finally put him and it appeared to make the difference. I have nothing against Beck, I don't really know much about him. Evidence suggests he was a big part of the offensive sluggishness.

So, when does Chip get here? :evil:

(Seriously, if Chip doesn't land a gig, I'm sure Urban will call on him to consult).
 
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Buckeye86 said:
That depends on if Warinner is still in the booth babysitting Beck. It seems like that was the change that made a big difference in the final two games of the season.

If you can't do your job (sit in the booth and call plays) without being babysat (the shots of Warinner and Beck sitting side by side were remarkable) and taking away from someone else doing their job, you need to go.

I didn't read through your entire exchange but the parallel to the Withers situation is striking, IMO.

Fickell/Warinner on the sideline, Withers/Beck in the booth and an incoherent mess on the field on defense/offense in 2013/2015.

They brought Ash in and things instantly improved drastically. It seems like bringing in a replacement for Beck is the obvious solution here as well.

That's not to say Ash was perfect, just like Herman wasn't perfect- people questioned some of their calls or all of their callsand a certain segment of the fan base always will.

I think Herman should have given the ball to Hyde more in the second half of the B1G championship game- particularly on third and short and fourth and short.

However, for the most part the offense was a well oiled machine under Herman outside of a few specific examples.

The exact opposite is the case with Beck. It's not like MSU was an isolated incident. The offense sputtered, stumbled and looked mostly incoherent the entire season. It didn't look like they had a plan ever (they went back to the Bollman era just pull plays out of a hat strategy) and they certainly had no clue how to utilize their talent.

If Beck comes back and they look amazing next season Meyer should get credit for identifying a year long problem and fixing it.

Considering he's a great coach who wasn't able to do that this season before essentially replacing Beck in the booth with Warinner, that seems unlikely.

Like I said, I don't know how you can watch Warinner sitting next to Beck in the booth and not come to the conclusion that the team would be much better off with another coach who is capable of doing their job without someone else doing it for them.

We'll see what happens.
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I was going to comment more in depth until I read this. This x 1,000,000.

Only thing I would add is that the hire should have never happened. By all accounts, everyone in the state of Nebraska thanked us for taking him off their hands. It's not just terrible play calling, it's the fact that he has zero work product at the QB position and seemingly ruined two great Herman products within a year.

It's not a bad game or one bad year. It's a mediocre career at best followed up with a really bad year. That's a stark contrast from the other positive examples brought up. He should have never been added to this staff and it became abundantly clear fast.
 
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