Tim Beck (HC Coastal Carolina)

[Hstead]

The players understand way more than any of us do since they are the ones in the meeting rooms and at practice and several threw Beck under the bus. That speaks volumes to me.

 

[HorseshoeFetish]

I was going to comment more in depth until I read this. This x 1,000,000.

Only thing I would add is that the hire should have never happened. By all accounts, everyone in the state of Nebraska thanked us for taking him off their hands. It's not just terrible play calling, it's the fact that he has zero work product at the QB position and seemingly ruined two great Herman products within a year.

It's not a bad game or one bad year. It's a mediocre career at best followed up with a really bad year. That's a stark contrast from the other positive examples brought up. He should have never been added to this staff and it became abundantly clear fast.

Yes!!! When Nebraska fans thank you for taking a (QB) coach....you might have made a mistake.

 

[Mike80]

Things aren't always what they seem.

But the evidence points in a certain direction:

1. A particularly bad performance
2. Players voicing specifics in their post game rants
3. Action taken by UFM to place Warriner into the press box to assume play calling duties

After all of these happened, this team went out and blew out scUM and got almost 500 yards on Ntre Ame in another significant win. Had things stayed the way they were with Warriner in the press box, it would have become obvious that a significant problem existed. Since things were mostly fixed once the change occurred, that has really made everything pretty easy to pinpoint.

Beck should be thanked for his contributions and asked to clean out his office. He's a big boy, he'll understand.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

But the evidence points in a certain direction:

1. A particularly bad performance
2. Players voicing specifics in their post game rants
3. Action taken by UFM to place Warriner into the press box to assume re-assume play calling duties

After all of these happened, this team went out and blew out scUM and got almost 500 yards on Ntre Ame in another significant win. Had things stayed the way they were with Warriner in the press box, it would have become obvious that a significant problem existed. Since things were mostly fixed once the change occurred, that has really made everything pretty easy to pinpoint.

Beck should be thanked for his contributions and asked to clean out his office. He's a big boy, he'll understand.

FIFY
Warriner was the play caller at the start of the season.

 

[Bestbuck36]

The worst thing about this season, well two things, is the regressing of the QBs and the inability to adapt to the game from a playcalling standpoint.

The QB battle took away from their consistency I'm sure but neither kid looked the same at all this year.

The playcalling flat refused to hammer home the plays that were working or open at times in favor of something that didn't work. Case in point was the MSU game specifically. Braxton and Marshall are wide open on a couple pass plays that were either drops or just off the mark. We never saw them again.

After the game several players mentioned that "we tried to get cute instead of what we wanted to do" in those pressers because they knew MSU defense had some holes. The guys on the field can always tell you what is going to work by what they are seeing. I used to tell my coaches all the time when I was owning my guy and we could do serious damage. Sounds like our guys were saying the same things but fell on deaf ears. That's most likely where that communication problem was happening.

If Beck was refusing to listen he needs to go. If it was something else, all the coaches are to blame for not fixing out sooner.

 

[BUCKYLE]

So the fans and media want an explanation for poor offensive production and a couple veteran players stick up for a coach that has been with them their whole careers instead of the new guy. Guess that settles it.

 

[BUCKYLE]

Almost forgot...Iowa State fans were "happy" to have Tom Herman gone also. So that whole "Corny Pricks happy to see Beck leave" stuff is silly. Almost every fan base says the same shit.

Anyway, I'm done with this conversation. I don't pretend to know what the problem was this season but if it were as simple as one fucking guy, it would have been fixed quickly. I imagine it was several things, including but not limited to, players losing the edge after winning a title, a new OC (both Warriner and Beck), the whole not having a clear leader at QB, WR blocking (huge imo), and some other shit I don't know about and probably never will.

If Beck is retained, I'm in his corner. If he's gone, then the next guy is going to have a hard time feeling comfortable until he helps win a title.

 

[Wingate1217]

Understandably, Urban didn't want his OL coach in the booth, but that's where he finally put him and it appeared to make the difference.

I really think the unsung hero here for the last two games when the OL Coach was in the booth is Jim Cordle. His effort on the sidelines allowed Ed to be in the booth and not miss a beat. That and the fact that the O-Line had almost another years worth of experience since it was late in the season.

 

[Buckeneye]

He's a convenient scapegoat, that much is indisputable.

This is Urban Meyer's offense. Not Herman's, and not Beck's. Urban liked him enough to hire him. If he was fucking up so badly, the switch to Warriner should have been made way sooner. The fact it wasn't is Urban's fault.

I don't pretend that I KNOW Beck isn't the issue. I just don't KNOW that he is.

Either way, I trust Urban to sort it out.

The offense was highly questionable if not downright bad for 11 games. The things our resident Huskers said would happen - all occurred. Then Warriner hits the booth and we see a return to form even eith spurts if inconsistency.

Warriner was the variable. If the subtle comments by Decker, the not so subtle ones by Zeke and subsequent success by the offense don't highlight the issue then it's plain denial.

I also remember when there were people whom defended Bollman and our Oline under his coaching...

At least Herman showed moments of brilliance. Not once did Beck do that this season.

 

[Mike80]

FIFY
Warriner was the play caller at the start of the season.

What's interesting is they went to this arrangement AFTER the NIU near-debacle (which also included a game with the worst QB play since Bauserman was killing people in the stands with errant passes):

We've been through this a lot this season, as the logistics of the play calling operation has emerged as a frequent topic in the growth of the offense. Last year, Tom Herman called the plays from the press box. This year, Urban Meyer promoted Warinner to that play-calling role after Herman left while wanting to keep Warinner on the sideline as the offensive line coach.

That proved difficult, but Meyer made it clear he valued Warinner's sideline coaching of his line unit above all else. After week three, Meyer explained that Beck, in the press box, was taking on additional duties in the play calling.

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2015/10/ohio_state_football_who_is_act.html

And as frustrating as this season was, they still scored nearly 36 points per game. I don't think there was ever a true comfort level that developed between the coaches (despite what they've said above), and I think the result of this was how discombobulated the offense looked at times (with the notable exception of the Rutgers game).

I'd love to have been a fly on the wall for some of the offensive game plan meetings - the QBs were a mess most of the year, there never seemed to be a clear plan in place for them that put these guys in a position to succeed, e.g. making Cardale run the option. It's clear whatever Beck was preaching to the QBs took some time for adjustment, and I think the adjustment period is still ongoing even now, which is troubling.

One theory I've kind of had all year is maybe things looked entirely different in practice than it did in the game and the adjustments just didn't work in-game.

In the end, it's not our decision and we can and will talk about ad-nauseum over the next 240+ days until the Bowling Green game. I think all the evidence I posted earlier (not to mention what our resident Husker fans have said would happen, did happen) points to a problem that will continue if nothing changes. I mean this year it only cost them a shot at the Big Ten title and the playoffs, not that big a deal, right? I'll cheer them on either way, but next years team is replacing a lot of veteran parts, it's not going to need the additional handicap in my IMO.

 

[UpNorth_Buckeye]

Anyway, I'm done with this conversation.

Lol, good one.

If Beck is retained, I'm in his corner. If he's gone, then the next guy is going to have a hard time feeling comfortable until he helps win a title.

I think the next guy just doesn't have to make the QB worse and he'll be fine. You're right, many variables can be used to to try to figure out why the offense wasn't where it should have been. But there's only one variable that changed with regards to QB play. QB coach. Cardale and JT were shells of their 2014 selves. Typically speaking players improve year to year, they don't regress. Particularly when the talent around them also improves, which it did.

 

[Dryden]

Typically speaking players improve year to year, they don't regress.

Right, like Taylor Martinez and Tommy Armstrong Jr., which is kind of why Beck already had the deck stacked against him in this argument before he even took the job. There was already a trend line there going back three years before his plane even landed in Columbus. And look what happened ...

 

[RB07OSU]

Right, like Taylor Martinez and Tommy Armstrong Jr., which is kind of why Beck already had the deck stacked against him in this argument before he even took the job. There was already a trend line there going back three years before his plane even landed in Columbus. And look what happened ...

This. What the hell had Beck ever accomplished to get the position he got here? I am not even talking about him calling plays, I am just talking about becoming our QB coach. I watched both Martinez and Armstrong regress significantly at Nebraska, but I thought there was something fundamental I must have been missing. There wasn't. He has a fairly conclusive history of coaching decent QBs into the ground and he continued that trend here, just to a more epic proportion.

I realize that replicating what Herman did with Miller/Guiton/Jones/Barrett is not realistic, but the dropoff we saw was unacceptable. I won't try to pin us not having a shot for a title solely on Beck, but he had a big part in it and his performance does not warrant him getting his job back next year. Nothing personal but to be at The Ohio State University, you have to be the best. Beck is not and we can improve drastically, and we should.

 

[muffler dragon]

I probably should've looked at this sooner, but granted... it's Wikipedia.

Todd Reesing was the QB at Kansas from 2006-2008 when they had that pretty good offense (particularly 2007-08.
Interestingly enough, Tim Beck's profile says the following:

In 2005, Beck returned to the college football coaching arena by accepting the position of wide receivers coach at the University of Kansas. The Jayhawks had been struggling for consistency, posting no conference wins in 2002, losing the bowl game in their 6–7 campaign of 2003, and missing bowl eligibility in the 4–7 season of 2004. Beck's receivers helped the 2005 Kansas team to a 7–5 record and their first bowl win since 1995. In 2006, four different Jayhawks receivers caught 24 or more passes, though the 6–6 team was not extended a bowl invitation. In 2007 Beck was also appointed as the Passing Game Coordinator at Kansas, and the season proved to be a breakthrough year for the Jayhawks. Kansas finished 12–1 with the second-best scoring offense nationally, shared the Big 12 Conference North division title with Missouri, and secured a final #7 ranking in both the AP and Coaches polls with their 24-21 win over #5 Virginia Tech in the 2008 Orange Bowl.

Wide Receivers coach and Passing Game Coordinator. Maybe the terminology is just different or the staff wasn't of a different size since I can't find a Quarterback Coach on their staff, but maybe his role at Kansas was different than it was this year at tOSU.

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

Fire tim beck was the only thing in my letter to Santa this year.... He must not be real.