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Tiger Woods (Offical Thread)

BuckeyeMike80;1662843; said:
Exactly.

All of the idiots who scream "In the Hole" ( :lol: I guess that takes a new meaning now huh?) would have been ejected immediately if it was Nicklaus putting 30 years ago. Just remember that.

I'm not talking about situations like that...I'm talking about merely walking down the fairway...not trying to make a shot...just merely a boo period...that's pathetic...way beyond prima donna status..
 
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OH10;1662855; said:
I'm confused here. Did he rape them? Were they too stupid to know he was married? Don't they owe Elin an apology for... I don't know.... sleeping with her husband?

Exactly. they knew wo he was, so they most likely knew he was married. They are really no better than Tiger when it comes to most of this.
 
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ImFrigginFly;1662877; said:
Not sure why people care about this. He's a golfer, not your minister.
I told my wife when this all went down that I watch and like Tiger because he is an amazing golfer. Not because he is a great person or husband. Personally I could care less what he does, did, or will do.


Having said that, 'people' care because he was put on a pedestal made out to be a virtual saint. He is the most powerful name and money man in sports.

Back to my original point. I still don't care if he continues to cheat on his wife with every porn star or cocktail waitress out there. Just stay away from my wife and I'll continue to root for him.
 
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OSU SPORTS;1662859; said:
I'm not talking about situations like that...I'm talking about merely walking down the fairway...not trying to make a shot...just merely a boo period...that's pathetic...way beyond prima donna status..

That hasn't changed because of Tiger. Golf is about Decorum. It's not a football or baseball game.
 
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OH10;1662855; said:
All you need to do is look inside your own post to answer your question. Plenty of people will watch with or without Tiger. But a lot more will watch with him. And that's why you see Tim Finchem in the front row protecting his company's most valued asset.

And it does affect the overall perception of the majors. Without the best player in the world, the tournament is missing a big something. The other players can publicly or even privately moan about the attention Tiger gets, but he makes them all more money when he's playing.

Obviously I uinderstood the point about ratings and money, since I had stated that in a clearly written sentence. My point was that I'm surprised how many people think they need Tiger in the field to care about golf. I'll watch the majors and the Ryder Cup with or without him, and ignore almost all other TV golf with or without him.

As far as it affecting the other golfers on the tour by costing them money, that's certainly true. It's also something I could hardly care less about.

As a group, I think Pro golfers are high on the list of people I have a hard time feeling sympathy toward. They fly around from resort area to resort area, following good weather, making a ton of money (over 90 made a million in PGA prize money last year, not counting endorsements), and many of them have no clue what's happening in the real world. They don't play a contact sport, and they can have a 25 year career, plus the senior tour if they want it.

Some will say they have to deal with making pressure putts, when much is on the line. Yeah, miss a big putt and and they only make $100,000 that week instead of double that amount. Tell somebody serving in Iraq or Afghanistan, or trying to put food on his kids' table that the poor golfer has to deal with pressure.

So to sum it up, if the PGA tour suffers without Tiger, why should I give a shit? The only reason for me to care is that some charities do get some money from the tour, and that would likely diminish.
 
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Robert Creamer wrote a wonderful bio of Babe Ruth about 25 years ago including much about his extra marital love life -- celebrating in a Chicago hotel after sweeping the Cubbies in the WS, Ruth stands up and shouts, "Any girls here who don't want to get laid should leave now!" He once left his car in the middle of an intersection, climbed into the car of a society woman and took off for her house for the night, leaving the car where it was. Crying while sitting on the edge of his bed, four women sleeping on the bed, "I couldn't satisfy all of them." None of those events ever made the news or were even made known until Creamer's book.

My how sports reporting has changed, but the behavior of the stars remains the same. The best remark I heard was that Tiger, like most celebrities, spoke as if he had an entitlement to his exploits -- make lots of money and you don't have to adhere to the rest of society's rules -- and it would be true if the reporting were the same as in Babe's heyday.

I don't see golf disappearing from the scene because of this. As BB pointed out the majors will still be competitive, Phil Mickelson will continue to choke, someone will show up in plus fours to try and grab attention. One door closes and another opens and someone else will make a run at Jack's record.
 
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It's a different era, Cinci, eh? I agree with you that he will not disappear, but he will never regain the image he once had. Here's another prediction, his endorsement income and brand value will decline at least 20% over the next two years in constant dollars--still more than any of us will every have but this has been incredibly expensive and comedians will ensure that it will not go away.
 
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BigWoof31;1661819; said:
I promise you - if I was Tiger Woods, all I would do is work out, play golf, shoot craps and fuck pornstars.

Which would be fine if he didn't have a wife and two kids.

If he was a bachelor, fuck yeah!
 
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I loved the ESPN talking head who said "everyone will remember where they were and what they were doing" when Tiger had his Friday press conference. :slappy:

That is why I stopped rooting for Tiger a long time ago. It wasn't anything he did, it was the ridiculous way the media and some fans obsessed over him.
 
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BB73;1663155; said:
... I'm surprised how many people think they need Tiger in the field to care about golf. I'll watch the majors and the Ryder Cup with or without him, and ignore almost all other TV golf with or without him.

... if the PGA tour suffers without Tiger, why should I give a [censored]? The only reason for me to care is that some charities do get some money from the tour, and that would likely diminish.
You're in a very small minority. Most golf fans want very much to see the greatest golfer of all time when they visit a tourney, or when they watch one on TV. If he's not there, neither is the interest - even for majors.

I personally don't care whether you give a [censored]; the Golf World clearly does give a [censored], and the PGA Tour is crippled without Woods.

By the way, I agree with Cinci that Woods behaved in an "entitled" way in his refusal to allow questions and his insistence on controlling the venue and format for his mea culpa. I continue to be disappointed in the guy's off-course behavior. But remember that he's engaged in behaviors that other pro athletes have long believed was their birthright. Not an excuse by any means, but it's not like he's the only married superstar athlete in the last 120 years who couldn't keep his dick in his drawers.
 
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MaxBuck;1663401; said:
You're in a very small minority. Most golf fans want very much to see the greatest golfer of all time when they visit a tourney, or when they watch one on TV. If he's not there, neither is the interest - even for majors.

I personally don't care whether you give a [censored]; the Golf World clearly does give a [censored], and the PGA Tour is crippled without Woods.

Golf is like tennis for me. If Federer didn't play, I'd still watch the majors and Davis Cup, and not care about any of the other tournaments. For golf and tennis - the majors matter and I enjoy them, regardless of the 'stars' that are in the field.

And I understand I'm not in the majority - but I can't help it if so many golf fans are of the casual, fair-weather type.

The 'Golf World' and the PGA need to develop a plan for life without Tiger, since he won't play forever. But I won't lose any sleep over that. If others want to, that's their problem.
 
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BB73;1663512; said:
Golf is like tennis for me. If Federer didn't play, I'd still watch the majors and Davis Cup, and not care about any of the other tournaments. For golf and tennis - the majors matter and I enjoy them, regardless of the 'stars' that are in the field.

And I understand I'm not in the majority - but I can't help it if so many golf fans are of the casual, fair-weather type.

The 'Golf World' and the PGA need to develop a plan for life without Tiger, since he won't play forever. But I won't lose any sleep over that. If others want to, that's their problem.

Maxbuck, no offense intended, but I guess that I am part of that small minority.

Greatness doesn't throw clubs across a course and scream f-bombs after a bad shot. Greatness doesn't pump his fist and run around the green whipping up the crowd as an opponent waits to putt. Greatness doesn't show such incredible disrespect for the game.

Greatness is magnanimous in defeat. Greatness raises the accomplishments of his opponents and other greats by celebrating their accomplishments in a memorial tournament. Greatness remembers his roots and brings that tournament to the city where he first found support.

Greatness doesn't pretend to acknowledge the need to show more respect for the game in a press conference scheduled during a PGA tournament to discuss issues in his personal life, pretending as if there was some impending event that required him to enter therapy again on Monday or that he couldn't have given the presser a day before the tournament. The pettiness of that striking out at a sponsor that dropped him indicates that Woods is right, he has a long way to go.

We all have faults and we should not be judging Woods personal life, in my opinion. Nor should we be unfairly according him "greatness". Greatness is far more than what Woods thinks it is.

Even if Woods were an Ohio State alum, Woody Hayes would never have followed him around the course. I don't believe that Woods ever would have had half of the success he has had if he had experienced the outright hostility that greeted the greatest golfer that ever lived, given his histrionics when a camera clicks or someone moves.

So, please, consider me a member of that minority. Greatness requires longevity and a lot more than winning tournaments.

...two years after he won the U.S. Open for the first time at Cherry Hills, Palmer found himself in an 18-hole playoff with a young, pudgy professional from Columbus, Ohio, named Jack Nicklaus, a former two-time U.S. Amateur champion whom Palmer had met several years earlier in an exhibition match in Athens, Ohio. The pro-Palmer crowd -- Arnie's Army -- was out in full force for the playoff, just as it had been throughout the 72 holes of regulation when the two players finished tied at 1-under 283. This time, though, there was only one player standing in the way of their hero, and Nicklaus was the target.

They called him names -- "Fat Jack," among them -- and chided him to "miss it." A sign, held by a man under a tree, said "Hit it Here Jack." Nicklaus, though, was oblivious.

"I had no idea what the gallery was doing," Nicklaus said.

"A 22-year-old kid wouldn't even have a clue. I didn't know the gallery was cheering for Arnold and all that stuff. It's hard for people to believe that, but it's true.
"When you're that age and you got something on your mind you want to do, you don't pay much attention to what's going on on the outside."

Maybe for Nicklaus. But not for his few supporters who were walking among the Palmer faithful in the gallery.
One of them was Woody Hayes, the former Ohio State football coach.

Hayes and Nicklaus' father, Charlie, were friends because Hayes always shopped in his drug store, which was located a few blocks from the Ohio State campus. Hayes was in the gallery following the young Golden Bear in the 1960 U.S. Open in Denver and the 1961 Open at Oakland Hills in suburban Detroit.

And he was there that day at Oakmont when the pro-Palmer sentiment became too much for him.

"Woody was Woody," Nicklaus recalled a couple weeks ago, smiling at the memory. "They said the two of them had to hold off the Oakmont crowd by themselves.
"Woody would get very upset with people in the gallery. People would say something, Woody wasn't going to exactly back off. It wasn't an issue at the other places."
It was at Oakmont, and it was because Nicklaus beat Palmer in the playoff, 71 to 74, to win his first professional title and the first of his 18 major championships. It was more than the beginning of the Nicklaus era. The victory signaled the changing of the guard, the moment the blond-haired kid from Ohio State replaced Palmer as the dominating figure in golf.
"Jack became Jack," Palmer said. "That triggered it."

After the playoff, Palmer told some members of the media, "Now that the big guy is out of the cage, everybody better run for cover."
He was talking about Jack Nicklaus.
Not Woody Hayes.

Link: U.S. Open: Battle of '62 had Jack, Arnie, Woody
 
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Guys, when I use the term "greatest golfer," I'm limiting the term to winning tournaments only. I agree that Woods's demeanor on the course has fallen far short of what the historic greats of the game have exhibited (at least, since Ben Hogan and his legendary foul nature on the course). I hope that his rehab includes a demand that he accord the game the respect it deserves; he alluded to his past failure to do so in his mea culpa.

It's one thing to say you don't care about Tiger Woods, and I can accept that point of view. But BB, I can guarantee you that many very serious golf fans can't wait for Woods to re-join the tour. I've played the game for 45+ years, and I'm one of them. I'm certainly not a "casual, fair-weather" fan; hell, I even watched the Mayakoba Classic.

Finally, Steve, as regards Woody Hayes not following Woods on the course - you've used a poor example IMO, given Woody's inability to control his own emotions. His behavior on the sidelines was no better than Tiger's behavior on the course. By your yardstick, one has to question whether Woody Hayes himself was "great." I think he was, though, as I think Woods is.
 
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So, apparently Tiger's mom really, really, really liked his apology speech.

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