Tiger Woods (Offical Thread)

[Flocka]

So, apparently Tiger's mom really, really, really liked his apology speech.

 

[TRON 2.0]

Tiger Shark!

 

[OH10]

Maxbuck, no offense intended, but I guess that I am part of that small minority.

Greatness doesn't throw clubs across a course and scream f-bombs after a bad shot. Greatness doesn't pump his fist and run around the green whipping up the crowd as an opponent waits to putt. Greatness doesn't show such incredible disrespect for the game.

Greatness is magnanimous in defeat. Greatness raises the accomplishments of his opponents and other greats by celebrating their accomplishments in a memorial tournament. Greatness remembers his roots and brings that tournament to the city where he first found support.

Greatness doesn't pretend to acknowledge the need to show more respect for the game in a press conference scheduled during a PGA tournament to discuss issues in his personal life, pretending as if there was some impending event that required him to enter therapy again on Monday or that he couldn't have given the presser a day before the tournament. The pettiness of that striking out at a sponsor that dropped him indicates that Woods is right, he has a long way to go.

We all have faults and we should not be judging Woods personal life, in my opinion. Nor should we be unfairly according him "greatness". Greatness is far more than what Woods thinks it is.

Even if Woods were an Ohio State alum, Woody Hayes would never have followed him around the course. I don't believe that Woods ever would have had half of the success he has had if he had experienced the outright hostility that greeted the greatest golfer that ever lived, given his histrionics when a camera clicks or someone moves.

So, please, consider me a member of that minority. Greatness requires longevity and a lot more than winning tournaments.

We get it. You love Jack Nicklaus. We all do. He's a great man and a great golfer. But I don't understand the Ohio State fan mentality to dislike Tiger just because he isn't Jack.

Its the same thing with Archie Griffin and the two Heismans. Buckeye fans feel like they have to cheer against Jason White, Matt Leinart, Tim Tebow or Sam Bradford just so Archie can be the only one.

Its the type of petty, selfish thinking that Jack would never endorse.

 

[Bucklion]

We get it. You love Jack Nicklaus. We all do. He's a great man and a great golfer. But I don't understand the Ohio State fan mentality to dislike Tiger just because he isn't Jack.

Its the same thing with Archie Griffin and the two Heismans. Buckeye fans feel like they have to cheer against Jason White, Matt Leinart, Tim Tebow or Sam Bradford just so Archie can be the only one.

Its the type of petty, selfish thinking that Jack would never endorse.

I don't think that those of use who think Jack was better, or at least that Tiger isn't the undisputed GOAT, and can point to the reasons why are petty or selfish just because we think so, but maybe that's just me.

 

[fourteenandoh]

The reasons I don't like Tiger have nothing to do with Jack Nicklaus.

 

[jwinslow]

24 years - since Jack won his last major
2 yrs old - my age during that win
8.5 years - since I graduated from HS

There are a lot of OSU posters who didn't grow up with Jack. I caught a little bit of him on the senior tour and from stories from my family, but most of Tiger's reception is his own doing, for better or worse.

 

[Poe McKnoe]

So, apparently Tiger's mom really, really, really liked his apology speech.

I wonder if she knows where those lips have been.

 

[Steve19]

We get it. You love Jack Nicklaus.

Whether intentional or not, you misrepresent my post. My posts clearly refer to a pattern of behavior on the part of Woods that is disrespectful of the game and his competitors.

MaxBuck has said, that by using the term greatness, he refers only to winning. I accept that. I would say, however, that if others behaved like Tiger, whipping up the crowd so that they are talking and moving while his opponents line up their putts, throwing clubs and f-bombs and the like, I think a lot of Tiger fans would be up in arms about the opponents "cheating".

So, I am not motivated to refer to Woods with disdain because he is not Jack. Not because I'm some Buckeye homer. And I don't expect others to agree with me.

I guess on reflection, it's pretty clear that I despise the way that Tiger Woods has behaved. However, I don't despise Tiger Woods or believe that all of this matter of affairs is something for public consumption. I hope that he can come back and that someday I would think of him as the world's greatest golfer. I just can't even come close to that yet.

 

[ScriptOhio]

PETA backpedals on Tiger Woods billboard

Animal-rights group says it will use S.C. governor?s image instead

PETA's proposed Tiger Words billboard. (PETA / February 26, 2010)

Entire article: Tiger Woods billboard: PETA won?t use golfer?s image - OrlandoSentinel.com

 

[OH10]

Whether intentional or not, you misrepresent my post.

I disagree. It was definately a Jack vs. Tiger post - a direct comparison between the two and their personalities, on and off the course. It was a sanctimonious post that said nothing more than Tiger is kind of a prick (shocker!) and Jack is a good guy.

And yet Jack has had the class throughout the years and through the recent events to stay above that stuff. Just sayin'...



I've gone back and forth on Tiger Woods over the years. When he first arrived on the scene, I was a big fan of his talent and intrigued by the impact he could have on expanding exposure for the game. After a while, I became frustrated with his domination and found it boring. I distinctly recall rooting for David Duval when they had their one-on-one primetime match. Then, as people began to hate him, I started to realize that I should just sit back and enjoy his (yup) greatness.

Now, I'd like to see him come back, honor the game a little better, show some maturity, some humility and dominate again.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

Great flow chart...

 

[tundra1]

[quote='BusNative;166695;5]Great flow chart...

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With one addendum. If you are married to Tiger Woods, I don't think you "probably deserve an apology". I'm pretty sure you can remove the word "probably" from that scenario.

She deserves an apology. She "probably" should be allowed to hit him in the gonads with a 9-iron (with square grooves, of course).

 

[Steve19]

I disagree. It was definately a Jack vs. Tiger post - a direct comparison between the two and their personalities, on and off the course. It was a sanctimonious post that said nothing more than Tiger is kind of a prick (shocker!) and Jack is a good guy.

And yet Jack has had the class throughout the years and through the recent events to stay above that stuff. Just sayin'...



I've gone back and forth on Tiger Woods over the years. When he first arrived on the scene, I was a big fan of his talent and intrigued by the impact he could have on expanding exposure for the game. After a while, I became frustrated with his domination and found it boring. I distinctly recall rooting for David Duval when they had their one-on-one primetime match. Then, as people began to hate him, I started to realize that I should just sit back and enjoy his (yup) greatness.

Now, I'd like to see him come back, honor the game a little better, show some maturity, some humility and dominate again.

Then, I guess we disagree.

If you want to define Tiger as the greatest golfer of all time, then that means surpassing Jack Nicklaus. I don't think that anyone debates that. If you want to assert that he is great, then I think that I am not alone in choosing a wider definition. Clearly, I think I made a point that you don't perceive.

I guess we also disagree on who is being sanctimonious...

 

[MaxBuck]

I'm certainly not going to accuse anyone who has serious issues with Woods as being "sanctimonious." His actions kind of preclude that. When you screw around on your wife (let alone a drop-dead gorgeous one), you can't complain about anything that is said about you.

Nonetheless, I am rooting for him to patch up his marriage, learn to fly straight, and get his game back to its pre-screwup dominance. I hope he comes back and plays at least a couple of majors in 2010.

(I wouldn't mind a bit if Steve Williams were not on his bag when Tiger comes back, however.)

 

[RugbyBuck]

I heard Cowherd this morning talking about the rest of the PGA field right now. I'm not a golfer and don't follow it, but it sounded like that if Tiger comes back focused and with [to borrow a cliche from DickRod] a chip on his shoulder, things won't even be as close as they used to be.