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The Walking Dead (Official Thread)

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tsteele316 said:
Darryl put an arrow right in the heart of DWT. That's a pretty mortal wound.
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It looked like a shoulder shot to me, but admittedly it went by pretty quick, I saved the episode, I will probably have another look at the highlights. So if it was a heart shot, then yeah, but then again Michonne put that entire kitana through what looked like the Gov's heart, and yet he was still lying there alive :lol:
 
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Bucklion said:
It looked like a shoulder shot to me, but admittedly it went by pretty quick, I saved the episode, I will probably have another look at the highlights. So if it was a heart shot, then yeah, but then again Michonne put that entire kitana through what looked like the Gov's heart, and yet he was still lying there alive :lol:
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hershel only had half of his neck left and was still crawling around until the governor finished the job. so, a sword through the thorax and an arrow to the heart are all fairly survivable wounds.
 
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Bucklion said:
(I mean, who was piloting the tank, Miley Cyrus?)

Hey, it's hard to control a tank when you're twerking the controls.

Dead for sure: Herschel (that was brutal), GBG's daughter, GBG's lesbian sister's paramilitary lover

Badly wounded: Rick, Governor, DWT, Bob (I think that's his name, the alcoholic Dr. guy)

I think Governor is most likely dead. Kirkmen on Talking Dead mentioned in the comic that they left the Governor's death very unsatisfying with Lilly (GBG) shooting the Governor to finish him. He didn't want to do that with the show, so he had 3 people finish him off. I do agree that we never see Lilly put the bullet through his head, just fire the shot, so that does leave some speculation. I think Michonne's hit was a mortal wound though. Rick obviously will be fine, and Bob should be fine too. Mitch (DWT) is likely dead too with the Governor gone, no reason for him to carry on as a character.

Missing: Judith, Apocalypse Barbie

I think Judith is alive and with Apocalypse Barbie(Beth). People have said that in the comic Judith dies in the prison attack, and last night's episode was mostly true to the comics some have said. However, I think they're stringing us along with the bloody car seat and no remains. Then again...I'm not sure this show is edgy enough to show a baby getting eaten, or a baby corpse, so the car seat could have been a less gruesome way to depict Judith's death.

At Large: Rick, Carl, Daryl, Sasha, Tyreese, Maggie, Bob, the Carole Junior Scare Pair, GBG, GBG's lesbian sister, a few various members of the Governor's group

I think they've opened up for Carol's return by having the little girl save Tyreese. Tyreese finds out it was Carol that we think burned the two bodies, yet Carol's little protege saved his life. This allows him to partially forgive Carol and allow her return. Then again...I still think the little girl is the one that burned the bodies and was feeding rats to the walkers, and Carol covered for her so she wouldn't be punished.


-I get that there was a difference between the seasoned fighters of the prison and the Governor's new ragtag bunch, but Jesus, with that many bullets flying, wouldn't the law of averages state that at least ONE character of significance would have gotten hit? I mean with that many guns firing that many rounds, Brandon Weeden could have hit somebody. Ridiculous that, in the end, no one really died except Herschel, and that took a sword execution.

I have to agree with you that at least one major character could/should have gotten shot in the prison fight. Then again, Rick and Bob both took bullets, and Tyreese should have been dead to rights if not for the little psycho girl. I think, despite being undermanned and without a tank, it's easier for the prison dwellers to stay alive as they had the training and a somewhat fortified position while the Governor's group had to advance.

-The Governor's stupidity is hard to accept. So if it's me, I'm sitting there with a sword, and I can kill either a) The chick badass who kills like she breathes and who happened to gouge my eye out and trach my zombie daughter, or b) the old philosopher dude who wouldn't hurt a fly and has one leg. Yeah, the choice is obvious. Not.

Michonne was somewhat of a loner though. While she obviously was the more lethal of the two captives, Hershel had the unique position of being the role model of the prison, the father figure to many and not just Maggie and Beth. Killing Michonne would have made the prison group sad, I'm sure, but killing Hershel was the Governor's best move to illicit an emotional reaction and ensure that war happened. After Rick delivered his speech to the Governor's group, the Gov knew he was losing momentum. The only thing he could do to make sure he didn't lose his army was force the prison to start shooting first. Hershel was that catalyst.

-So what's the deal with the Scare Pair...I guess they were validating Carole's teaching methods at the end? Not sure where they are going with that, and it's hard to see an effective arc, unless they just become 2 of the group...or Carl starts his own Governor's Army after gutting one too many rats, which would be quite a story arc for Season 4, I guess.

Like I said earlier, I think the little blond girl is the one that burned the bodies and was feeding the walkers, she's not all there. I don't think Carl has anything to do with that. It should make an interesting reunion with Carol if Tyreese somewhat forgives her since her protege saved his life...only to find out that the protege is the one that actually burned the bodies. That would be a twist.
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:lol: Someone pointed out that the Governor never actually stabbed Hershel in the brain, although he did appear to be decapitated...that could open the way for a Hershel walker

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ulukinatme said:
Alright, spoilers, replies in red:
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Admittedly I hadn't seen the TD, so I guess it appears he is dead unless the TD people were told to say that to spring a surprise when they come back. I don't know, I won't believe it until they show his head on Rick's desk, I guess :lol:

I have also seen speculation that the Scare Pair were the ones to torch the bodies (alive, even) and that is certainly a possibility as well. It just all seems too obvious to me though. I don't know, it just doesn't sit right, but it wouldn't surprise me if you are correct.

I have also seen people say that Apocalypse Barbie escaped with Daryl, which if happened I totally missed. I will probably watch the past 10 minutes again just to make sure what I saw and didn't see the first time.

I get the emotional angle to Herschel vs. Michonne, but it seems to me that if he offed big H first, he would have at least done Michonne a close second. I mean, the chick has Jules' wallet that says "Bad Motherfucker", and he of all people knew that. For someone that conniving, it just doesn't sit right that he would have made that type of fatal oversight.

For Judith I agree, quite frankly I don't want to see a baby get eaten, either. Bit they could have shown something in the distance that looked like a body, even if blurred out in delerium, or something...I think she is still going to be around.

I don't know what they are going to do with Carol, but I assume she isn't done. I would laugh my ass off if she ends up leading the cannibals, who I assume will be making an appearance, but more likely they will have some long, drawn out, soap opera kind of thing between her, Rick, Daryl, Tyreese, the girls, and some sort of love interest. Ugh.
 
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They are in Georgia and it would be "personality" #2 for Herschel.

For the entire season, walkers surrounded the prison. Until the Governor shows up. For the entire show, single gunshot, loud scream, farting into an empty coffee can, or a squeaky door hinge alerts every walker in a four mile radius. Tank round exploding a prison? Give it an hour. :lol:

Also ridiculous that chick had enough time to carry her daughter to the Governor before she turned. Flu victims were going zombie with the quickness.
 
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So I watched the episode again last night, and saw a couple of things I missed:

-The biggest one is the Governor is definitely dead. I had thought that the sequence was they showed him lying prone, they showed her arrive with the gun and point it, then faded to black when we heard the shot. Watching it again though, they panned to a close-up of her gun after she aimed it and showed her fire it before it faded to black. Then, when the screen comes back in, it actually focuses on the chess piece, the king, that GBG's daughter had drawn the eye patch on...right as a walker stomps on it. Kind of a cool little hidden symbolism thing, but hard to pick up on because it happened so fast.

-Apocalypse Barbie did in fact leave with Daryl. About 2 scenes from the end, he runs into her as she says she was trying to find the kids and get them on the bus, and he says "We gotta go, Beth. We gotta go."

-There were 2 other kids with the scare pair, both of whom were trying to take Judith to the bus when the scare pair decided to go Rambo. So they very well may have saved Judith, and may have been on the bus when it left. Or alternatively they could have been hiding and waiting for the scare pair, because they went running the other way from the bus.

-So the factions at large to follow in February are as follows:

-The bus: Mostly minor characters and Glen. The two kids and/or Judith might be on it or they might not. We don't know who drove it away or why they left when they did.

-Maggie, Sasha, and wounded Bob left on foot.

-Daryl and Beth left on foot.

-Tyrese and the scare pair went the other way on foot...possibly to hook back up with the 2 or 3 other kids, possibly not.

-Rick and Carl left together and left last.

-We have no idea where Michonne went...after helping Rick to his feet, we never saw her again.

-No idea what happened to GBG or her sister. They panned in close to a female walker at the end...could have been GBG, but I don't think it was her, so I think they are still alive.

-I imagine that since the Governor is dead then DWT is dead too. Not sure if any of his other people made it or not, but it looked like most of them died.
 
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I was suspicious when they did the fade-to-black instead of showing the Guv's head explode. Annoying as their writing often is to me (don't ask why I watch, then...dunno) I found it absurd that Michonne would really walk away from him when he was still alive and twitching. Would be more consistent with her character if the Guv ended up looking like Gordon Ramsay had demonstrated how to julienne carrots on him. If he really isn't dead after TTD showed him in their memorial list, then that will feel like an outright lie to their audience. But then, I haven't believed they have any respect for the audience since Season 2.

Interesting suggestion above about Carol & the "Scare Pair"--that seems quite plausible. Carol knew the kids actually did the deed, and as their surrogate mother, lied to protect them. Carol the martyr in the name of maternal love. I can see that happening. Would be a good story line.
 
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BUCKYLE said:
I think the female walker they focused on at the end was the dirty Irish chick that lured Rick back to her camp earlier in the season. The one that committed suicide. She was wearing a dark blazer, so was the walker.
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Actually that's a good point, I hadn't thought of that, and it did kind of look like her, now that you mention it.
 
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On TTD, they mentioned that one of the walkers was from an earlier episode. I thought then that they meant she was from the first season, but I think you're right. It was probably head-in-a-bag lady. Sad thing is, she didn't look any dirtier as a walker than she did when she was alive.
 
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