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coral got bit when he and the new dude were fighting the walkers in the last episode. That’s why at the beginning tonight he was writing a note to his dad and looking at Enid’s JSS letter that he kept. It’s also why he volunteered to take Negins bat as punishment and was having so much trouble walking despite a slight fall down the ladder and why he was wandering around with the smoke to make sure everyone else got away. He’s dead meat now.
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Ohhhhh 2 episodes ago. I was trying to think of when he would’ve encountered one on this episode.
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Magua
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I love how they boast these 90 minute episodes. Really, it's just another 30 mins of commercials. Also, the executive producer was on the after show, which I rarely watch, but my god it's no wonder this show is completely mishandled. That guy has no business running a show of this magnitude. He needs fired as does every single writer and introduced to Lucille.
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This feels really poorly handled. I had the feeling he wouldn't have gotten out of that skirmish without a bite last week.....but then a week went by and I forgot all about it. That reveal was just very oddly done. Maybe it's just me, though.
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Yeah, I agree in some ways. I thought parts of it were handled well, parts were not. I typed out my detailed thoughts on the episode, which are below.
As with most of this season, there are so many ways that this episode was so damned bad, it really outkicked the coverage of what could have been a very good piece of TV.
The good: Well, there was some movement in the story arc, finally. I guess. Maggie went full Old Testament in this episode, and she is going to be the strong leader that eventually leads the group(s) to victory. Capping the dipshit prisoner wasn’t a really big deal, but the symbolism in it was. Jesus is still a dumbfuck though, apparently. Now, obviously, knocking off Coral wasn’t an easy decision to make, and some of the subtlety of the story itself in this episode was extremely well-handled, from the awkward handwriting to staring at Enid’s note to sweating profusely/acting sick to offering himself to Negan up a la "tainted meat" Bob. I do agree with you though that is was somewhat odd from an episode-to-episode arc though (however, compared to Carol, it was Emmy-worthy, as explained below). Also, I thought they did what they could with EZE-E, him coming around to create a diversion and then get caught was at least not some stupid-assed Rambo shit they usually try to pull off as believable. If I had to piack a story arc that was actually decently handled this time, I think I would pick his.
The bad, ugly, and worse: 1) The whole fucking episode was shot at night, where you couldn’t see shit half the time, and everyone was fucking mumbling. I didn’t catch a single word that Dwight said the whole fucking show. That part of it was super fucking annoying. 2) The Carol story fuck. It’s one thing to botch something from 5 seasons ago. But one episode ago? We last saw Carol leaving Eze-E to play with his chain, while she left alone, on foot, with a littlish boy in tow wanting to fight. Now here, magically, she shows up at the Sanctuary, with only Jerry the Axman, in a truck, right at the time Rick just happened to start taking fire. What. In. The. Absolute. Fuck. 3) The drawn out Coral closeups. Look, I appreciated some of the subtleties of the Coral story part as stated above, but much of that was undone by the slow-motion limping Coral close-ups. We get it, he’s leaving the show and you wanted to feature his mug to sell a few more T-shirts. But it’s like they extended this episode for 30 minutes for 20 minutes of commercials and 10 minutes of Coral limp-dicking along with a smoke grenade with a lost look on his face. Unnecessary. 4) Rick, Michonne, and fuck, the rest of them the first time, after picking up Mumbling Dwight, were able to just waltz right the fuck into the middle of an open courtyard to a sewer drain, 15 minutes or less after Negan ordered a giant sweep and burn of the entire complex. So, aside of a chance to show Michonne go Benjamin Martin/Patriot on one goddamned nameless asshat, not a single person happened to notice them all walking in. Oh, and Negan apparently after fighting Rick and threatening to go Heart of Darkness on him just said “Ah, fuck it, I just knocked his ass out the window, let’s just let him go find his friends” instead of immediately ordering every available person to run him down. Yep, sounds logical. 5) Eugene. At this point, the fucker is just annoying. His schtik, like Negan’s, is overdone to the point of not being funny anymore. And the idea of him being conflicted for being a pussy is fine, but the fact he is apparently going to sleep well by just letting Gabriel take the Obie Gynie back to Maggie is, well, yeah OK. 6) The whole stupid-assed Aaron/Enid Oceanside thing. This is a microcosm of everything wrong with these writers. Have random characters pair up, add a soliloquy about someone missing someone else and making the other character uncomfortable, have them do mind-numbingly stupid shit. Then don’t get to it again for a month. Here we had 2 characters with no connection between them, going to a hostile group that you stole their guns from, parking in the middle of the night, right outside of their complex. Then, they get out of the car, do dumb shit, and Enid caps the leader. Aaron gets a dumbfuck look on his face. They get surrounded. And we won’t get to it again until episode 13. Completely random in any sense. Complete Dumbfuckery in every sense.
As with most of this season, there are so many ways that this episode was so damned bad, it really outkicked the coverage of what could have been a very good piece of TV.
The good: Well, there was some movement in the story arc, finally. I guess. Maggie went full Old Testament in this episode, and she is going to be the strong leader that eventually leads the group(s) to victory. Capping the dipshit prisoner wasn’t a really big deal, but the symbolism in it was. Jesus is still a dumbfuck though, apparently. Now, obviously, knocking off Coral wasn’t an easy decision to make, and some of the subtlety of the story itself in this episode was extremely well-handled, from the awkward handwriting to staring at Enid’s note to sweating profusely/acting sick to offering himself to Negan up a la "tainted meat" Bob. I do agree with you though that is was somewhat odd from an episode-to-episode arc though (however, compared to Carol, it was Emmy-worthy, as explained below). Also, I thought they did what they could with EZE-E, him coming around to create a diversion and then get caught was at least not some stupid-assed Rambo shit they usually try to pull off as believable. If I had to piack a story arc that was actually decently handled this time, I think I would pick his.
The bad, ugly, and worse: 1) The whole fucking episode was shot at night, where you couldn’t see shit half the time, and everyone was fucking mumbling. I didn’t catch a single word that Dwight said the whole fucking show. That part of it was super fucking annoying. 2) The Carol story fuck. It’s one thing to botch something from 5 seasons ago. But one episode ago? We last saw Carol leaving Eze-E to play with his chain, while she left alone, on foot, with a littlish boy in tow wanting to fight. Now here, magically, she shows up at the Sanctuary, with only Jerry the Axman, in a truck, right at the time Rick just happened to start taking fire. What. In. The. Absolute. Fuck. 3) The drawn out Coral closeups. Look, I appreciated some of the subtleties of the Coral story part as stated above, but much of that was undone by the slow-motion limping Coral close-ups. We get it, he’s leaving the show and you wanted to feature his mug to sell a few more T-shirts. But it’s like they extended this episode for 30 minutes for 20 minutes of commercials and 10 minutes of Coral limp-dicking along with a smoke grenade with a lost look on his face. Unnecessary. 4) Rick, Michonne, and fuck, the rest of them the first time, after picking up Mumbling Dwight, were able to just waltz right the fuck into the middle of an open courtyard to a sewer drain, 15 minutes or less after Negan ordered a giant sweep and burn of the entire complex. So, aside of a chance to show Michonne go Benjamin Martin/Patriot on one goddamned nameless asshat, not a single person happened to notice them all walking in. Oh, and Negan apparently after fighting Rick and threatening to go Heart of Darkness on him just said “Ah, fuck it, I just knocked his ass out the window, let’s just let him go find his friends” instead of immediately ordering every available person to run him down. Yep, sounds logical. 5) Eugene. At this point, the fucker is just annoying. His schtik, like Negan’s, is overdone to the point of not being funny anymore. And the idea of him being conflicted for being a pussy is fine, but the fact he is apparently going to sleep well by just letting Gabriel take the Obie Gynie back to Maggie is, well, yeah OK. 6) The whole stupid-assed Aaron/Enid Oceanside thing. This is a microcosm of everything wrong with these writers. Have random characters pair up, add a soliloquy about someone missing someone else and making the other character uncomfortable, have them do mind-numbingly stupid shit. Then don’t get to it again for a month. Here we had 2 characters with no connection between them, going to a hostile group that you stole their guns from, parking in the middle of the night, right outside of their complex. Then, they get out of the car, do dumb shit, and Enid caps the leader. Aaron gets a dumbfuck look on his face. They get surrounded. And we won’t get to it again until episode 13. Completely random in any sense. Complete Dumbfuckery in every sense.
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Well, I might need to cry for a little bit...or days...this show has not been the best lately but this episode was tough to watch.
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I was looking at my phone except for when Morgan and Carol were doing their thing. The scenes with Ezekiel weren’t bad.
Carl dying did nothing for me.
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I haven't watched Walking Dead since Rick and crew went to Virginia and took over that little town and the very last episode I remember Dark Rick came back... is it worth trying to get back into or no?
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The stuff with Negan has gotten drawn out and Negan’s act has started to wear thin but I would actually say yes.
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I think it has been much better personally. The Governor seasons were pretty awful and while there are some bad episodes sprinkled in after the group hit Alexandria, I think it has been pretty good.
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Well, I thought Coral’s acting wasn’t awful, he wasn’t too overly dramatic for the most part. I also think it was a good thing that they kept the focus on him and not Rick, because Lincoln plays a pretty good mean Rick, and a decidedly awful sad Rick. So, all in all, it was OK for what it was. It was overdone in terms of length, but at least it wasn’t overly B-movie level hammy.
The interesting things, I guess, at least in terms of the story, were from the Rick dreams, mainly a) the old man Rick dreams were Carl’s dreams, not Rick’s, b) The child in the dream was Judith, not Gracie as had been speculated online, and c) Negan was in it at the end, which was hammy. However, the others in the dream, as far as I could tell, were Rick, Michonne, Judith, Eugene, Jerry, and Siddiq. That leaves the door open for anyone else to die (Carol, Darryl, Rosita, Tara, Aaron, Enid, Eze-E, Maggie) if the dream is to be believed. The lame-osity of this is the fact that they will use the “I will make the dream real!” to justify Rick not killing Negan when he gets the chance, which is horribly weak and terribly lame, at best. I get what they are trying to do, but you can only suspend disbelief so far, and believing that Rick is just going to let Negin live is beyond anything I can swallow, no matter what the fuck he remembers about what his kid said.
The rest was more or less Rambo shit as usual, of course they pour it on thick with the kid killing the douchenozzle that ran the crew that killed his brother. If this show is trying to be complex and set up scenarios of moral ambiguity, it would help if there was any, read: ANY, sympathy possible for the people they are trying to do so with. But they have done this again and again, whether it’s this fuckstick or Negin or Gareth or the Governor or Gregory, the entire moral equivalence falls flat on its tits when the other people have zero redeeming qualities.
The interesting things, I guess, at least in terms of the story, were from the Rick dreams, mainly a) the old man Rick dreams were Carl’s dreams, not Rick’s, b) The child in the dream was Judith, not Gracie as had been speculated online, and c) Negan was in it at the end, which was hammy. However, the others in the dream, as far as I could tell, were Rick, Michonne, Judith, Eugene, Jerry, and Siddiq. That leaves the door open for anyone else to die (Carol, Darryl, Rosita, Tara, Aaron, Enid, Eze-E, Maggie) if the dream is to be believed. The lame-osity of this is the fact that they will use the “I will make the dream real!” to justify Rick not killing Negan when he gets the chance, which is horribly weak and terribly lame, at best. I get what they are trying to do, but you can only suspend disbelief so far, and believing that Rick is just going to let Negin live is beyond anything I can swallow, no matter what the fuck he remembers about what his kid said.
The rest was more or less Rambo shit as usual, of course they pour it on thick with the kid killing the douchenozzle that ran the crew that killed his brother. If this show is trying to be complex and set up scenarios of moral ambiguity, it would help if there was any, read: ANY, sympathy possible for the people they are trying to do so with. But they have done this again and again, whether it’s this fuckstick or Negin or Gareth or the Governor or Gregory, the entire moral equivalence falls flat on its tits when the other people have zero redeeming qualities.
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