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The Walking Dead (Official Thread)

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Has the tv show set up its own demise by following the comic too closely? I've not read the comic, but have watched each season of the show and from what I've read here and elsewhere, while they've substituted some characters and what happens to them here and there, it seems to follow the comic timeline pretty closely. The show seems to bog down each year with the intro/explanation of the new groups, etc. that come from the comic. Was it really necessary to go through the whole Governor cycle or Terminus (which turned out to be a huge let-down) or the Wolves (what a waste of time), given where we are now, for example? We could've gone straight to Alexandria or at least cut out one or two of the season-long villains that then just went away and been in the triangle of the Saviors, Hillfags, and the Rasta-tiger-man (which I'm guessing to be the crux the story for awhile) but without the story fatigue. This is a better show if it's wrapped up in four or five seasons, in my humble opinion. One of the reasons that GoT has been successful as a show is that the producers cut waaaay back on the plot/time lines and condensed/merged threads and characters where helpful. This hasn't always been a success (Dorne) but they've streamlined it while keeping the essence of the story(ies).

All that said, Rick can blow me. Shane wouldn't pussy-out to Negan. And while I'm at it, move Fox to safety.
 
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RugbyBuck said:
Has the tv show set up its own demise by following the comic too closely? I've not read the comic, but have watched each season of the show and from what I've read here and elsewhere, while they've substituted some characters and what happens to them here and there, it seems to follow the comic timeline pretty closely. The show seems to bog down each year with the intro/explanation of the new groups, etc. that come from the comic. Was it really necessary to go through the whole Governor cycle or Terminus (which turned out to be a huge let-down) or the Wolves (what a waste of time), given where we are now, for example? We could've gone straight to Alexandria or at least cut out one or two of the season-long villains that then just went away and been in the triangle of the Saviors, Hillfags, and the Rasta-tiger-man (which I'm guessing to be the crux the story for awhile) but without the story fatigue. This is a better show if it's wrapped up in four or five seasons, in my humble opinion. One of the reasons that GoT has been successful as a show is that the producers cut waaaay back on the plot/time lines and condensed/merged threads and characters where helpful. This hasn't always been a success (Dorne) but they've streamlined it while keeping the essence of the story(ies).

All that said, Rick can blow me. Shane wouldn't pussy-out to Negan. And while I'm at it, move Fox to safety.
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Well, they are rapidly approaching the point to where the comics are at. So, they kind of have to slow the progress to not blow past the comics like GoT has done.
 
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That's good to know, I guess. I thought there had already been several more seasons-worth of comics written.
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I thought I had read that too. I don't read the comics though.

I honestly just watch this show because, meh, why not. I don't get excited for it. There is just so little on TV up my alley.

Other shows I watch, in case people are bored and are like me:

Utopia
Humans
Mr. Robot
Westworld
Game of Thrones
Black Mirror
Expanse
Sense8
Narcos

I am vaguely checking out:
Dirk Gently

I put on for background noise:
comic crap
Lucifer
Hell's Kitchen
My Little Ponies

And why yes, I am lonely and live alone. I can remember watching one show a week until recently. . .
 
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Pretty good episode I thought. Definitely agree that the show is about to run its course though.

But I am a little bummed that Spencer did not get Lucille'd at the end. Really thought all of those deaths were pretty cheap though, why even build up the Lucille angle and just abandon it. But I do like Negan quite a bit for taking out one of the worst characters ever.
 
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I didn't think it was a bad episode for what it was, but to me this was the culmination of it going full-on "spot monkey", which I think is the problem with having the comic people in charge of the show (and why they are badly missing Darabront right now). They are so anxious to get to their self-appointed "iconic" moments from the comic like Spencer's guts that they really have no idea what to do with the time in between. And, how good the set up was for Glenn's bashing is how bad the setup has been for the rest of the season. Character like Olivia or Spencer comes into play? It's only so people notice them, usually so they can set up a comic death. The whole interplay between Spencer and Rosita was weak and pointless, and it basically ruined Rositas character. A couple or 3 seasons ago, they made a big deal on TD about finding a crazy way for walkers to die each week. That was spot monkey too, but at least it didn't detract from the rest of the story. They should wrap this show up next year, it has clearly transformed into a less palatable and sustainable product.
 
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I thought this last episode was ok and that they did a good job with the "no guts" scene. I'm not sure what the catalyst for the whole getting the band back together at the Hilltop was, though. Now, you want to fight? Because he killed Spencer, took Eugene, cut Rosita, what?
 
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RugbyBuck said:
I thought this last episode was ok and that they did a good job with the "no guts" scene. I'm not sure what the catalyst for the whole getting the band back together at the Hilltop was, though. Now, you want to fight? Because he killed Spencer, took Eugene, cut Rosita, what?
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I think the catalyst was just the realization that it wasn't going to stop and they have to fight or it's likely they'll all end up dead. I think many of them thought maybe Glenn/Abraham was just to send a message and they'd be fine if they tried to abide by the rules. For Rick, I think it was the belief that Carl is in huge shit after his attack. The deaths aren't all that significant and Spencer had it coming though, so I see where you're coming from.

I will say one story arch I'm getting sick of is Carol. They are making her incredibly dumb.
 
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I think the catalyst was just the realization that it wasn't going to stop and they have to fight or it's likely they'll all end up dead. I think many of them thought maybe Glenn/Abraham was just to send a message and they'd be fine if they tried to abide by the rules. For Rick, I think it was the belief that Carl is in huge [Mark May] after his attack. The deaths aren't all that significant and Spencer had it coming though, so I see where you're coming from.

I will say one story arch I'm getting sick of is Carol. They are making her incredibly dumb.
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I believe the catalyst was watching Aaron take a beating. Rick wanted to jump in and help aaron but was forced to watch. Im sure there are alot of reasons why rick wants to go to war. But Negan and his merry men last visit to Alexandria was the last straw.

I doubt killing Holly Hoggins and Spencer are the reasons he said enough is enough.
 
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