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BIATCHabutuka
out of chaos comes playoffs
But it is OK to be proud to be a women who roars. OK to be a proud black man. Gay pride people even have gay pride parades. White man though = devil.
Even though no white alive now ever owned slaves. Even though no blacks alive were slaves. Even though gays face zero actual discrimination.
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bigdog3300
The G.O.A.T.
If that is what you got out of it, then I think you missed the point.
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Taosman
Your Cousin In New Mexxico
As a person who has actually worked with and known many gays, your comment that" gays face zero discrimination" is misinformed, to say the least.
And to say that just because all the slave owners are gone in this country ,that there isn't a legacy from the slave era, is again, misinformed.
It was the white man who brought black slaves here in mass against their will and treated them like another animal. In the south the Civil War memory is very present and southerners remember being forced against their will to free slaves and completely change their lifestyles. That created lots of anger on both sides of slavery. Even one hundred and fifty years won't change that.
And the "white man =devil" . All you need do is look at the headlines to see white people acting in a racist, ignorant manner. That creates an image of someone uncaring of people of color and even women and gays.
What do you think the Hispanic people will think about when, in a few years, they will be the majority in this country? Will they remember the recent attempts by white people to demonize them and deny them the chance at a better life in this country?
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You're correct. I come from the exact opposite of that environment in terms of growing up on a farm in NW Ohio. While the problem was not as significant as I see in inner-city Cleveland or Akron, I knew many people who never imagined a life outside of what they saw right in front of them or had anyone suggest that there might be a path to consider. But this was probably only a third of my class. The other two-thirds were divided among those who would pursue blue-collar technical careers and those who had ambitions to go to university and pursue professional careers.
What bothers me the most about the inner-city experience is how entire neighborhoods and schools can perpetuate the attitude that there is no alternative outside of remaining in poverty. Especially when I look at CWRU, where I work, and the entire University Circle community in Cleveland. These isolated, inner-city neighborhoods are literally right next door to the university and arguably one of the top five medical facilities in the world, but they might as well be on the other side of the planet. These institutions of privilege are so far removed from their experience, despite being less than a half mile down the road from where they live, it is almost mind-boggling they can co-exist next to each other.
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Since we are giving backgrounds I will give one from a bit different perspective.
I am a heterosexual white male. I have two parents with no major addictions. My dad is an awesome hard working dude, my mom is a stay at home mom that was on the crazy side.. and i mean ALL THE WAY to that side.. sounds like a nice priviledged background right? except I grew up in the "white version of the ghetto" I grew up in the hills of south east ohio where there are no jobs, where i remember 40 year old men bragging about finding 12$ an hour jobs. My dad eventually had to find work in Indianapolis. I remember growing up with dad working 3 jobs and coaching my baseball teams. during the summer id sometimes go with him on one of his jobs where he would drive a truck around and deliver newspapers to the delivery boys. So I knew to get good grades, and I know to work hard and I thought the world would be my oyster, I took college classes while still in high school, I was excepted into MENSA. Everything is great right? Well here comes the stumbling block. I had big plans and goals.. I had no idea how to get to them. I missed out on an honors diploma because my guidance counselor never told me I needed geometry to get one ( I had tested past that and was taking calculus at OUZ) I didnt know what good jobs were. My wifes friends are all married to these doofy simpletons who make 10x the money I do. I live paycheck to paycheck and struggle to make ends meet. I make JUST BARELY too much to qualify for food stamps. "I KNOW" I work harder and am smarter than all of those guys. I served my country, I can solve any problem you put in front of me, I can ace any test. but these guys who seem all too average earn my yearly salary in a week. So while I wont whine and complain that I had some awful childhood, I certainly understand how someone who grew up in a situation where you didnt know what a GOOD job was might have a hard time finding one for themself.
I am a heterosexual white male. I have two parents with no major addictions. My dad is an awesome hard working dude, my mom is a stay at home mom that was on the crazy side.. and i mean ALL THE WAY to that side.. sounds like a nice priviledged background right? except I grew up in the "white version of the ghetto" I grew up in the hills of south east ohio where there are no jobs, where i remember 40 year old men bragging about finding 12$ an hour jobs. My dad eventually had to find work in Indianapolis. I remember growing up with dad working 3 jobs and coaching my baseball teams. during the summer id sometimes go with him on one of his jobs where he would drive a truck around and deliver newspapers to the delivery boys. So I knew to get good grades, and I know to work hard and I thought the world would be my oyster, I took college classes while still in high school, I was excepted into MENSA. Everything is great right? Well here comes the stumbling block. I had big plans and goals.. I had no idea how to get to them. I missed out on an honors diploma because my guidance counselor never told me I needed geometry to get one ( I had tested past that and was taking calculus at OUZ) I didnt know what good jobs were. My wifes friends are all married to these doofy simpletons who make 10x the money I do. I live paycheck to paycheck and struggle to make ends meet. I make JUST BARELY too much to qualify for food stamps. "I KNOW" I work harder and am smarter than all of those guys. I served my country, I can solve any problem you put in front of me, I can ace any test. but these guys who seem all too average earn my yearly salary in a week. So while I wont whine and complain that I had some awful childhood, I certainly understand how someone who grew up in a situation where you didnt know what a GOOD job was might have a hard time finding one for themself.
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The KSB
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Yeah that, or both since it's both. Here's a link to help if you get confused. Since posting a
as opposed to any actual argument amounts to nothing more than cheap name calling it's a text book example of ad hominem. Now as to the strawman angle that would require digging into the semantics of the exchange. As I would contend that you were implying a misrepresentation of my answer to your question and then countering that misrepresentation it would amount to a strawman fallacy. However, like I said it's semantics. Just FYi 
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MaxBuck
SoCal, Baby!
Re-read what I said. I'm not clear on what, exactly, your point was, but I didn't infer that your pride related to your personal characteristics secured at birth entirely by accident.
It's ridiculous to be proud because one is white, or because one is black, or because one is gay, or because one is straight, or even because one is intelligent. (Honestly, I think it's ridiculous to be proud, period, but that's my own bias speaking.) To the extent one needs to express pride, it ought to relate to one's accomplishments rather than any accident of birth. IMO.
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