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#7 at Chapel is unfair. You have to hit the perfect tee shot to the left center fairway within a 15 yard window of distance (or you're in a bunker, on a hill, or too short and have to hit it over all trees). Then if you manage a good tee shot you have to hit your second shot onto the most ridiculous green where there is not a flat put on it anywhere. A little left or right or short you're in the water, long your in the woods or have an impossible chip downhill onto the green.
I've birdied that hole twice, both times involved a 30+ foot put that broke over 6 feet.
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Thump, yea I'd say anyone with a sub 15 handicap could enjoy Clover Valley. Start out on the Blue tees at Clover and get a feel for the course. It's tough enough.
People who are 15 or higher should save some pride and play the white tees.
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Regarding Clover Greens. That's my favorite part of the course. It's not about just hitting the greens there, it's about hitting the right part of the Greens. They really don't slope away from you (I can think of one green that actually kinda does, but it's still receptive) they just funnel balls into a particular quadrant. If you can score well at Clover Valley it certainly means you have a complete game - that's why it's my favorite public course.
Kinda funny, I score about the same at Clover from the Blue or Black tees. each set brings their own challenges for me. If I can break 76 at Clover, I've had a good day. Well that used to be the case.... Since I had a kid and didn't play much golf last year, I might move that score back a little now and say if I break 78 or 80 I've had a good day there.
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I had no idea Champions was for sale. Damn, I'm out of the loop now! I have a love/hate relationship with Champions. Great course, but I can't score there - so I hate it. :p I play a slight push/draw and Champions REALLY favors a fade (save for 2 holes).
#7 at Chapel is unfair. You have to hit the perfect tee shot to the left center fairway within a 15 yard window of distance (or you're in a bunker, on a hill, or too short and have to hit it over all trees). Then if you manage a good tee shot you have to hit your second shot onto the most ridiculous green where there is not a flat put on it anywhere. A little left or right or short you're in the water, long your in the woods or have an impossible chip downhill onto the green.
I've birdied that hole twice, both times involved a 30+ foot put that broke over 6 feet.
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Thump, yea I'd say anyone with a sub 15 handicap could enjoy Clover Valley. Start out on the Blue tees at Clover and get a feel for the course. It's tough enough.
People who are 15 or higher should save some pride and play the white tees.---
Regarding Clover Greens. That's my favorite part of the course. It's not about just hitting the greens there, it's about hitting the right part of the Greens. They really don't slope away from you (I can think of one green that actually kinda does, but it's still receptive) they just funnel balls into a particular quadrant. If you can score well at Clover Valley it certainly means you have a complete game - that's why it's my favorite public course.
Kinda funny, I score about the same at Clover from the Blue or Black tees. each set brings their own challenges for me. If I can break 76 at Clover, I've had a good day. Well that used to be the case.... Since I had a kid and didn't play much golf last year, I might move that score back a little now and say if I break 78 or 80 I've had a good day there.
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I had no idea Champions was for sale. Damn, I'm out of the loop now! I have a love/hate relationship with Champions. Great course, but I can't score there - so I hate it. :p I play a slight push/draw and Champions REALLY favors a fade (save for 2 holes).
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