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THE GAME, tOSU at tCun, Sat. 11/25, 12pm ET, FOX

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lvbuckeye said:
They outgained LSU, had better rushing yards per carry, and MUCH better yards per pass. They made too many mistakes.
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That makes me feel better.
lvbuckeye said:
Illinois went to the freaking Rose Bowl in 07.
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And got their ass beat by USC. That Illinois team had no business beating OSU.

I don't get the desire to paint Tressel differently now. He was a great coach who accomplished a lot, but after 02 lost more big games than he won and couldn't get OSU to a level that would compete with USC or the SEC.
 
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1926Buckeyes said:
That makes me feel better.

And got their ass beat by USC. That Illinois team had no business beating OSU.

I don't get the desire to paint Tressel differently now. He was a great coach who accomplished a lot, but after 02 lost more big games than he won and couldn't get OSU to a level that would compete with USC or the SEC.
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I was at that game. The fumble that wasn't reviewed cause the replay booth was broken and Juice Williams will haunt my dreams... Thanks guys for making me remember that
 
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knuckifyoubuck said:
I remember Tressel way different than you guys lol
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I think everyone knows that Tress's record speaks for itself, he took OSU to the next level. He won a Natty and played for two more. Only one loss against TCUN. But many in the fanbase treat him almost as some mythical figure and he wasn't.
I said in an earlier post that by 2009 it was becoming apparent that Tresselball was starting to show cracks. It had run it's course, just like Urban's style was no longer nearly as effective by 2017-18. Tress did great things for OSU and I loved him as our coach. But he also brought embarrassment and shame to the school with a scandal that was all his own doing. I really think if "Tatgate" wouldn't have happened, the team would have started to slip. It was time for something new.
 
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gmen6981 said:
I think everyone knows that Tress's record speaks for itself, he took OSU to the next level. He won a Natty and played for two more. Only one loss against TCUN. But many in the fanbase treat him almost as some mythical figure and he wasn't.
I said in an earlier post that by 2009 it was becoming apparent that Tresselball was starting to show cracks. It had run it's course, just like Urban's style was no longer nearly as effective by 2017-18. Tress did great things for OSU and I loved him as our coach. But he also brought embarrassment and shame to the school with a scandal that was all his own doing. I really think if "Tatgate" wouldn't have happened, the team would have started to slip. It was time for something new.
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That tatgate team was completely loaded and was going to start out at 1 in the polls. Would have been making a run at the title without injuries 100%.
 
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I really, really wanted to see a punishing old school (but up-tempo) Buckeye-style grind it out drive when they just briefly had the ball late in the 3rd quarter and a chance to answer scUM's score.

Just listened to Joshua Perry on 97.1 talking about The Game on Saturday. He touched on that abandoning of the run in the 3rd quarter, which I complained about during The Game. He said "Michigan is known for being tough, blah blah... Well that TD drive OSU put together with 6 or 7 straight runs, that was tough right there. Then next drive they come out and throw 2 incompletions and gain 1 yard and punt. (Wtf.) Michigan had the patience to take those small gains of 3 yards, 1 yard, 5 yards, and keep moving the chains, while Ohio State did not have that patience to grind it out."

I believe that's how Urban beat scUM with JT Barrett. He didn't need to be patient like that in the others, but he just found a way to win every Game. So I guess that's what Day needs to learn - 3 yards and a cloud of dust patience. He might not have to in the next year or two for The Game, but he will eventually (I know it's unlikely he will change), or they will need to find someone who does. And it seems unlikely that any coach from the outside (Pac12, Big12, nonOhio) would get it. For now, that leaves Vrabel, imo. But, as I've said, I'm okay with Day getting another year...

P.S. - This stuff about scUM "was the better team," I think they just had a better game plan.
 
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I was wondering why the D couldn't stop them in the second half [/s] maybe ... just maybe riding your starters for most of the season and the final game like rented mules isn't such a good idea on D...

edit: looking at the Defensive snap count.... my goodness its borderline criminal .... I wouldn't be shocked if there aren't a bunch portal departures .....
 
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Zem said:
I really, really wanted to see a punishing old school (but up-tempo) Buckeye-style grind it out drive when they just briefly had the ball late in the 3rd quarter and a chance to answer scUM's score.

Just listened to Joshua Perry on 97.1 talking about The Game on Saturday. He touched on that abandoning of the run in the 3rd quarter, which I complained about during The Game. He said "Michigan is known for being tough, blah blah... Well that TD drive OSU put together with 6 or 7 straight runs, that was tough right there. Then next drive they come out and throw 2 incompletions and gain 1 yard and punt. (Wtf.) Michigan had the patience to take those small gains of 3 yards, 1 yard, 5 yards, and keep moving the chains, while Ohio State did not have that patience to grind it out."

I believe that's how Urban beat scUM with JT Barrett. He didn't need to be patient like that in the others, but he just found a way to win every Game. So I guess that's what Day needs to learn - 3 yards and a cloud of dust patience. He might not have to in the next year or two for The Game, but he will eventually (I know it's unlikely he will change), or they will need to find someone who does. And it seems unlikely that any coach from the outside (Pac12, Big12, nonOhio) would get it. For now, that leaves Vrabel, imo. But, as I've said, I'm okay with Day getting another year...

P.S. - This stuff about scUM "was the better team," I think they just had a better game plan.
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The offense Meyer installed when he arrived was very much a tough running Big Ten offense...just out of the gun.

I specifically remember him talking about adapting I-form run concepts into his playbook. He went away from the Percy Harvin style specifically because that didn't fit the roster he had and thought Big Ten defenses would be able to stop it more consistently. He evolved. And it worked.

Day seems like he's taking square pegs and trying to ram them into round holes. Ie. Continuing to stick to playbook concepts where the offense relies on an accurate QB that can go through progressions quickly...with McCord at QB. Then getting mad when it's not working.
 
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Gunlife said:
That tatgate team was completely loaded and was going to start out at 1 in the polls. Would have been making a run at the title without injuries 100%.
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You talking about 2010 or 2011? The 2010 team started the season ranked #2 behind Bama and WAS expected to make a run at a Natty. That ended when they moved up to #1 and then got punched in the mouth at Wisconsin. Hard to say what the 2011 team would have been without the suspensions and turmoil.
 
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gmen6981 said:
You talking about 2010 or 2011? The 2010 team started the season ranked #2 behind Bama and WAS expected to make a run at a Natty. That ended when they moved up to #1 and then got punched in the mouth at Wisconsin. Hard to say what the 2011 team would have been without the suspensions and turmoil.
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The 2011 team. Pryor was your heisman front runner and they were primed for greatness.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
In this era of football, Tresselball could possibly beat Simple Jim's 1980 style teams. The other side is that he'd get beat 60-13 against the Georgias, Bamas and Oregons of the modern era.
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"Tresselball" is something I'd really like to touch on. For the most of us, it means defense, the running game, special teams, field position and not turning the ball over. Which are all important facets of the game and always will be. But that also tends to mean unspectacular and incredibly ineffective offenses that made you insane at times.

The first 3.5 years in C'bus were rough for offense a lot of the time. And the defense was what this team would lean on. I will say this though, I believe our understanding of T-ball should be viewed through a different lens, now that we can turn and look back.

When Tress finally developed a QB he could trust with a range of dynamic throws and wouldn't turn the ball over (Troy) the offense was honestly one of the most balanced attacks in all of college football. And Tressel revealed to be a pretty solid play caller. It was something we, or at least I, hadn't seen at tOSU before. One play you're in 22 personnel and smashing away. The next you're out in 10 and 11 personnel throwing from empty. He would sprinkle in option looks, sweeps, misdirection, single back, bootlegs, etc etc. You started seeing that with Boeckman a bit, and finally with Pryor after a couple full years in the offense.

Going and looking at NFL offenses now, that's about how a lot of them get it done. Especially on early downs to keep defenses from subbing personnel. While JT may have been more of a man who favors that gap and down power for his running game, most of the personnel flexibility reminds me of San Fran a bit. Ultimately what I find myself settling on when I think of that 'JT ball' term is protecting the rock, doing your job and not beating yourself. Those 3 things are never sexy, and that's fine. But once you master those fundamentals, you can build something wonderful off of them.

I generally believe Tress could coach in this day and age, but he would need to find an proven Oline coach and QB coach with some pedigree of developing passers that have at least been drafted and made it to the league. Because it was clear how short the rope was with QB's at times when they would do something brilliant, but follow it up with a "derrr" type throw.
 
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