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THE GAME, tOSU at tCun, Sat. 11/25, 12pm ET, FOX

I realize the wound is fresh. But in speaking to previous coaches and styles.
All coaches need to be evolving. Nick Saban went from a Defense focused team with a run heavy offense. Once the rules changed he adapted to a style of play that was being bolstered by the rule changes. You also need to adapt to the players and how the refs are calling the game.

I am not able to say if Day is off point or on point. I do think it is obvious that he is getting a lot right. But he is clearly getting the big games wrong. The reality is he is playing 3-4 games a year max that put him and the team to the test. And right now he is not doing well in those games. Kind of how Harbaugh was his first 5 years. This is the struggle with most tOSU coaches when looking at their records. The recruiting power and system that the Buckeyes have basically drives 9+ wins a season regardless how how great the HC is during that time. And this is where it gets so tough. Because on one hand people will say that he won 11 games. But he was only challenged 3-4 (this season). And last season it was 3 games max and he went 1-2 (assuming PSU with SCum and Georgia).

So here is the issue. What is his record against SCum, PSU, Playoff games? And this season he had ND. And I am sure in past seasons he had another team during the regular season that would be considered worthy or a challenge. That is really what you need to analyze. The other 8-9 wins a season are a gimme based on talent.

For someone looking from the outside more or less. I think Day is a really good coach and a really clever guy. I think he does not quite get the college game. And by that I mean he coaches scheme and prep. And he does not quite seem to grasp the importance of getting a team to peak emotionally. The best college coaches have a great ability to get the team to focus and emotionally ride a wave to win games. For me Day had seemed to be a bit stoic at times then overly emotional or tense at times. And he has not quite figures out how to coach a whole season and get the team to play its very best for specific games. Because there is zero chance in my mind that SCum should be on a 3 game bender. At least this year it was close so I do think Day is learning. And that is the final question. Is he evolving and should he be given 2-3 more years? Or should the AD start thinking next coach up?

Realize you really need to stop talking about the 9 wins he gets auto filled each season. How is he and the team looking in the games where the other squad has similar/same/better talent? That is all you need to discuss.
 
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I think everyone knows that Tress's record speaks for itself, he took OSU to the next level. He won a Natty and played for two more. Only one loss against TCUN. But many in the fanbase treat him almost as some mythical figure and he wasn't.
I said in an earlier post that by 2009 it was becoming apparent that Tresselball was starting to show cracks. It had run it's course, just like Urban's style was no longer nearly as effective by 2017-18. Tress did great things for OSU and I loved him as our coach. But he also brought embarrassment and shame to the school with a scandal that was all his own doing. I really think if "Tatgate" wouldn't have happened, the team would have started to slip. It was time for something new.
If tatgate didn't happen - Pryor is the starting quarterback on a team that is number one, followed by Braxton, followed by Cardale, and then Haskins committed to Tressel when he was 11 :lol: c'mon man! I view Tressel as somebody who coached to the team's strengths and changed his offense multiple times over multiple years depending on who was quarterbacking and what the personnel was. Troy Smith ran a different offense than what Craig Krenzel ran, which was different than what Pryor ran. JT was a coach that had the team playing their best in November consistently. I always thought that was because of his lower division days and hitting stride in time for a playoff, keeping plays hidden and setting tendencies only to break them at the end of the year.

Meyer ran a "program". I wish we had the ruthless Urban and we had him for a brief period of time, but I've always preferred Tressel's style myself.
 
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I think everyone knows that Tress's record speaks for itself, he took OSU to the next level. He won a Natty and played for two more. Only one loss against TCUN. But many in the fanbase treat him almost as some mythical figure and he wasn't.
I said in an earlier post that by 2009 it was becoming apparent that Tresselball was starting to show cracks. It had run it's course, just like Urban's style was no longer nearly as effective by 2017-18. Tress did great things for OSU and I loved him as our coach. But he also brought embarrassment and shame to the school with a scandal that was all his own doing. I really think if "Tatgate" wouldn't have happened, the team would have started to slip. It was time for something new.
The 2010 team went 12-1, and had everyone coming back in 2011.

Edit: it seems everyone here thinks Tressel was in the I every single play. Nothing could be further from the truth. He adapted his offense to fit his personnel. One of his NC years at YSU, he ran Air Raid.
 
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I was wondering why the D couldn't stop them in the second half [/s] maybe ... just maybe riding your starters for most of the season and the final game like rented mules isn't such a good idea on D...

edit: looking at the Defensive snap count.... my goodness its borderline criminal .... I wouldn't be shocked if there aren't a bunch portal departures .....

Man that defensive snap counts really explains why they couldn't get a stop in the 2nd half. This isn't the NFL you need to rotate especially on a team that goes 5-7 min drives.
 
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I was wondering why the D couldn't stop them in the second half [/s] maybe ... just maybe riding your starters for most of the season and the final game like rented mules isn't such a good idea on D...

edit: looking at the Defensive snap count.... my goodness its borderline criminal .... I wouldn't be shocked if there aren't a bunch portal departures .....



Biggest concern for me is the IDL. Last I checked, leading snap count for that position in the NFL was around 55 per game. Not saying you can't get 60, because they absolutely can will. But playing 60 snaps, last game of the season on the road after putting in 55+ per game previously takes a toll.
 
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I was wondering why the D couldn't stop them in the second half [/s] maybe ... just maybe riding your starters for most of the season and the final game like rented mules isn't such a good idea on D...

edit: looking at the Defensive snap count.... my goodness its borderline criminal .... I wouldn't be shocked if there aren't a bunch portal departures .....

This is definitely a concern, we just don’t give our backups enough playing time during the season. Then when it comes to a game like this, the bench gets short. Let’s face it this why we didn’t have a QB ready to step in this year.
 
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I, personally, did not need to be reminded of Colin Cowturd's existence right now. I couldn't care less what these guys say. I just don't see how it matters what they say about The Game at all. Their input = 0 to me.

I would watch the OB, but I can think of 500,000 things I would rather do than listen to Fox Sports' reaction. Feels like it's time to move on to just about any other thing imaginable - just me.
 
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I think I am finally able to talk about the game after listening to Sarah McLachlan on loop for 48 hours. I will not go back and rewatch this one for obvious reasons, so it is off the cuff and brutally honest.

1. I will start at the high level: This loss is unacceptable. We have recruited vastly superior talent to the point where Tcun shouldn't even really keep it that close. The talent disparity is about the same as when we beat the hell out of RRod and Hoke, so yes I am going to put the bulk of the loss on coaching because it sure as shit is not due to talent. Mind you, Day and company lost to an interim coach with better talent. I have been an avid supporter of Day with the emphatic caveat that if he didn't beat Tcun this year, then we probably need to move on. I don't see us letting him go quite yet even though I think we should let him go after whatever bowl game we play in, but he will come back to the hottest seat on the planet imo if he gets another year.

2. In a similar vein, McCord will likely start on Week 1 but on a very short leash. There is plenty of blame to go around and no one play led to the loss, but that pick at the beginning of the 2nd quarter absolutely killed us. Then any time there was the slightest of a pass rush, Kyle panicked and ran directly into it. I know I am beating a dead horse since everyone else has pretty much said it, but he doesn't have the "it" factor. He is essentially a tapioca pudding of a QB and without Marv/Egbuka/X/Henderson next year, I only see it getting worse if he starts most of the season. I rooted for him and he has had moments, but without marked improvement one of Brown or Kienholz will pass him up...hopefully not Brown if he is actually as bad as he looked when he came in this year.

3. The defense cannot get off the field when it matters. That was honestly the only beef I had with the defense this year and it reared its ugly head in a big way on Saturday. That score to start the 2nd half should have been the catalyst to a win, but the defense just rolled over right after that and other than the McCord pick, that would be the defining moment to me in what led to the loss. We can't generate pressure with our front 4 that is comprised of two top 10 overall 5* recruits at DE (JT, Sawyer) and two top 100 overall players at DT (Tyleik, Hall), with several other top guys right behind them. That shit is not ok and a change needs to be made at DL.

4. Our OL play is still not that good. It looked to be improving, but a legit defense exposed us there. We could have won despite that, but having the OL not be a strength is a bad thing if you are trying to win a game like this. The recruiting woes at OL under Stud are burning us badly and Frye doesn't look to be turning it around to be completely honest.

5. Wtf happened to our LB play? Eich and Chambers really faded at the end and I wonder if we can't have Lil Animal essentially take over at the position. Much better recruiter, true Buckeye, and the results are wavering here. Not saying a change needs to happen right away, but I see it coming in the next couple of years.

6. Knowles improved the defense a lot the last couple of years, so I will give him credit on that. But we have to figure this Tcun shit out because their offense is not as good as we are making them look. I don't know what is missing, but I also don't get paid what our coaches do to figure it out. They need to figure it out.

7. Season is over and we will have not met a single goal that Day (and the program really) sets. Lost to Tcun. No B1G title or title appearance. No playoffs. No national title chance. So you can look at an 11-1 record, but the reality is that we went 0-4. That is three years in a row of 0-4 under Day and I'm in the camp of letting him go if you can get any of UFM, Freeman or (promoting) Hartline to take over. If not, get the feelers out there to top names now. @Jaxbuck and I have talked about Day turning into the next Cooper and I didn't want it to be, because I really like Day and think he is a great mind/human being. But this is really the last straw for me and I will take very little pleasure in any win next year that isn't against Tcun.

8. Bowl game talk. Don't really care what bowl we get, it doesn't matter whatsoever after going 0-4. Just get some emerging young guys playing time, allow those entering into the draft to sit out so they don't get hurt (Henderson, Harrison, Egbuka, M Jones, Eich, Chambers, Stover, Burke, Ransom, Proctor), and develop what the coaches believe to be our roster next year. From here on out, things change with a 12 team playoff since we would be in it under that format. But for this year, really not anything left to play for other than to get guys ready for next season. I will watch and cheer on the team as always, but it does no favors to anyone to play guys that are about to get their well-earned payday without the risk of injury.
 
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Didn't know where to place this:

I know some fans want returners from this team. I want a blood letting. Weak schedule next year, and it's time to purge. Get a new crop of hungry kids for the 2024 season. Day will get a fresh restart next year. Bring in a couple new coaches. Start back. Perfect schedule to even break in a frosh qb if need be.

Time to move on.

This has been 3 years with many of these same players with consistent critiques about their intensity during the season and especially The Game.
 
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I realize the wound is fresh. But in speaking to previous coaches and styles.
All coaches need to be evolving. Nick Saban went from a Defense focused team with a run heavy offense. Once the rules changed he adapted to a style of play that was being bolstered by the rule changes. You also need to adapt to the players and how the refs are calling the game.

I am not able to say if Day is off point or on point. I do think it is obvious that he is getting a lot right. But he is clearly getting the big games wrong. The reality is he is playing 3-4 games a year max that put him and the team to the test. And right now he is not doing well in those games. Kind of how Harbaugh was his first 5 years. This is the struggle with most tOSU coaches when looking at their records. The recruiting power and system that the Buckeyes have basically drives 9+ wins a season regardless how how great the HC is during that time. And this is where it gets so tough. Because on one hand people will say that he won 11 games. But he was only challenged 3-4 (this season). And last season it was 3 games max and he went 1-2 (assuming PSU with SCum and Georgia).

So here is the issue. What is his record against SCum, PSU, Playoff games? And this season he had ND. And I am sure in past seasons he had another team during the regular season that would be considered worthy or a challenge. That is really what you need to analyze. The other 8-9 wins a season are a gimme based on talent.

For someone looking from the outside more or less. I think Day is a really good coach and a really clever guy. I think he does not quite get the college game. And by that I mean he coaches scheme and prep. And he does not quite seem to grasp the importance of getting a team to peak emotionally. The best college coaches have a great ability to get the team to focus and emotionally ride a wave to win games. For me Day had seemed to be a bit stoic at times then overly emotional or tense at times. And he has not quite figures out how to coach a whole season and get the team to play its very best for specific games. Because there is zero chance in my mind that SCum should be on a 3 game bender. At least this year it was close so I do think Day is learning. And that is the final question. Is he evolving and should he be given 2-3 more years? Or should the AD start thinking next coach up?

Realize you really need to stop talking about the 9 wins he gets auto filled each season. How is he and the team looking in the games where the other squad has similar/same/better talent? That is all you need to discuss.
Day didn't get the chance to make mistakes at YSU, Toledo and Bowling Green. He got a Cadillac program right from the get. I think he does adapt, which is a process slower than we want and probably require. But I think he has shown a willingness to grow and self preserve.
 
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