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The Big Ten Is Irrelevant - Again

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kujirakira said:
Similar experience in Elyria in the 80s when I was a child. A black family (Doctor and Nurse) wanted to move into our block, and a couple residents, mostly Silent Generation, opposed it on grounds of racial segregation. I'm glad they moved in anyway. As a kid I didn't have a clue any of this had gone on and the neighborhood children all played together regardless.



What about the girl, whose father is an alum and Judge, who was denied entry into a sorority b/c of race?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...in-racist-rejecting-two-applicants-black.html



There's a strong perception from outside the South (and I don't just mean the traditional North or Midwest -- I've spent most my time in America in WA and CO) that southern Universities bring in black players as a form of entertainment for rich white spectators. They're treated decently, even lavished to an extent as play-things, but never really given the keys to the land like the rest of the student body. They're gladiators ... never separated from the entertainment aspect. And any minority who isn't an athlete is still subject to segregation. Even then, they're not actually treated very well (oversigning and 1yr scholarships) and the education they receive is almost certainly subpar compared to their peers within the University (not just in a National Rankings sense). See UNC burying athletes in no-show African Heritage courses. To some extent every major power is engaged in burying athletes -- but to go that far, and to choose specifically that subject content as the smokescreen... it says something.

You can try to make bones of it by burying it under the excuse of conference inferiority, but that perception exists across the country and isn't limited to the SEC -- but to the geographical region.

This is what I think the difference is between what Cinci described and what I perceive, in my own experience and others, in the South. Yes, there is racism outside the South - often of a subtler nature, but no less harmful. However, my community stood up to the racists in the 80s and welcomed a minority to the block. And not in a Obama "first black resident - aren't we so merciful!" kind of way. We treated them the same as the other neighbors.
30 years later, Alabama will allow minorities to attend -- but still struggles with associating with them, to allow them to actually be part of that community.
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This crap belongs in the poli boards. I grew up in a small town in Ohio. Blacks were heavily marginalized in the community-racism abounded. I lived in a town on Long Island New York. Same thing. It's not a southern thing.
 
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kujirakira said:
It's interesting to see at what point people arbitrarily decide a discussion has gone "off topic" and beg for censorship in order to shut somebody up.
Sorry you think hard facts and actual events are "crap".
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No, it is not censorship when it was requested that this topic be discussed in the proper area of the site. Nobody told anyone to "shut up". This thread is not here for you to discuss race relations in regional areas of the United States. That belongs in the poli board threads. If you want to continue this line of conversation, then take it to the area which it belongs.
 
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buxfan4life said:
No, it is not censorship when it was requested that this topic be discussed in the proper area of the site. Nobody told anyone to "shut up". This thread is not here for you to discuss race relations in regional areas of the United States. That belongs in the poli board threads. If you want to continue this line of conversation, then take it to the area which it belongs.
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I'm replying to others discussing it. If you don't like it; start with the people who started that discussion.
And the discussion is, btw, related to the topic.
 
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OK, thread winder - the thread is about WHY various people in the BP community believe that the Big Ten has slipped behind the SEC. That topic invites a wider discussion than "because Kirk Ferentz always wins the COY award," or, "because Hoke can't coach shit," or "we don't have any one who understands the spread offense." All those might be relevant, but they don't seem to me to complete the entire picture which has to include the cultural differences between conferences with entirely different founding purposes, guidelines and populations. Ergo, the discussion's inclusion of racial practices in the past and present seem to me to be well within the boundaries of the thread. There's more to hut, hut than xs and os.
 
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kujirakira said:
There's a strong perception from outside the South (and I don't just mean the traditional North or Midwest -- I've spent most my time in America in WA and CO) that southern Universities bring in black players as a form of entertainment for rich white spectators. They're treated decently, even lavished to an extent as play-things, but never really given the keys to the land like the rest of the student body. They're gladiators ... never separated from the entertainment aspect. And any minority who isn't an athlete is still subject to segregation.
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That's your mistake and ignorance - not ours.
It reminds me of the type of deep thinking that took place after Notre Dame got their ass kicked by Alabama in the BCS Title game. Captured wonderfully on RBR
http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2013/1/15/3877292/its-meltdown-time-bcs-championship-edition
Some highlights include:
"F**k these inbreds and ex-slaves. I'd rather be a true institution of higher learning. We don't need this"
"Good Lord their running backs are unreal. Why couldn't we have had forced breeding back in the Civil War. I want guys like this on our team"
"well when the whole team is related to each-other there's not much you can do"

We are not a plantation. Grow up and spend sometime outside your bubble.
 
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matcar said:
This crap belongs in the poli boards. I grew up in a small town in Ohio. Blacks were heavily marginalized in the community-racism abounded. I lived in a town on Long Island New York. Same thing. It's not a southern thing.
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To build on this - where I grew up in Pennsylvania was the most racist area I have lived in by far - this list also includes Florida, Georgia, Tennessee and Kentucky.
 
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kujirakira said:
I didn't cite any statistics.
Woof claimed minorities are unequivocally treated fairly at these schools -- I gave specific examples where they aren't.
Sorry you don't like that.
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No, you made provocative statements based on your oh so worldly experiences of, what was it Colorado and Elyria?

Its certainly not appropriate for this conversation. Please spare me your normal holier than thou, my world view is awesome strawman routine. (Hard facts? Please.)
 
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I'm extremely sorry I posted what was intended to be a little joke referencing the predominantly northern sport of lacrosse, the S-E-C, and Louisiana natives acting like French is their native tongue.

In other words, toi tous geaux fucque toi-meme.
 
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MaxBuck said:
I'm extremely sorry I posted what was intended to be a little joke referencing the predominantly northern sport of lacrosse, the S-E-C, and Louisiana natives acting like French is their native tongue.

In other words, toi tous geaux fucque toi-meme.
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Not to self, do not ask max to conjugate "aller"
 
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BigWoof31 said:
That's your mistake and ignorance - not ours.
It reminds me of the type of deep thinking that took place after Notre Dame got their ass kicked by Alabama in the BCS Title game. Captured wonderfully on RBR
http://www.rollbamaroll.com/2013/1/15/3877292/its-meltdown-time-bcs-championship-edition
Some highlights include:
"F**k these inbreds and ex-slaves. I'd rather be a true institution of higher learning. We don't need this"
"Good Lord their running backs are unreal. Why couldn't we have had forced breeding back in the Civil War. I want guys like this on our team"
"well when the whole team is related to each-other there's not much you can do"

We are not a plantation. Grow up and spend sometime outside your bubble.
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This seems to be the only ignorance in the thread thus far.
What you posted has nothing to do with anything -- you claimed if blacks weren't being treated fairly there would be riots.
I just gave you several examples where they clearly aren't treated fairly at southern Universities.
You couldn't counter those examples, so now you're just throwing out insults in a fashion that'd make Schopenhauer proud:

A last trick is to become personal, insulting and rude as soon as you perceive that your opponent has the upper hand. In becoming personal you leave the subject altogether, and turn your attack on the person by remarks of an offensive and spiteful character. This is a very popular trick, because everyone is able to carry it into effect.
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