Just say lacrosse in any context (including Wisconsin) to a flock of Tide fans. Please report the results.
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Just say lacrosse in any context (including Wisconsin) to a flock of Tide fans. Please report the results.
Nutriaitch
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i'm not about to pretend that Louisiana doesn't have a well deserved reputation for being a racist southern state.
but having been in every state of the confederacy (except Arkansas), I can honestly say we're not even close to the levels of racism casually displayed in every day life in Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina.
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MaxBuck
SoCal, Baby!
Louisiana is the state in which I heard a motel owner tell me he had to drain his (Winnfield, Best Western) pool because a PhD Egyptian geologist decided to take a dip after a long day of drilling wells. This was in 1989. Bad as 'Bama was, I never heard anything approaching that. North Louisiana was like that; nearer Red Stick and NOLA things were quite different.
Plus, you all sort of speak French, so the "lacrosse" thing made sense.
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I didn't think Georgia was that bad, though maybe just b/c I was in the Atlanta area?
Flobama and Mississippi were ... interesting, however.
Not racism; but best moment in Miss was volunteering to be an usher for local battered women's org (they provide volunteers for events and get the paycheck from the venue) ... the concert was Bobby Brown (known for beating Whitney Houston). Awkward.
Flobama and Mississippi were ... interesting, however.
Not racism; but best moment in Miss was volunteering to be an usher for local battered women's org (they provide volunteers for events and get the paycheck from the venue) ... the concert was Bobby Brown (known for beating Whitney Houston). Awkward.
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Nutriaitch
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Louisiana is the state in which I heard a motel owner tell me he had to drain his (Winnfield, Best Western) pool because a PhD Egyptian geologist decided to take a dip after a long day of drilling wells. This was in 1989. Bad as 'Bama was, I never heard anything approaching that. North Louisiana was like that; nearer Red Stick and NOLA things were quite different.
Plus, you all sort of speak French, so the "lacrosse" thing made sense.
I can believe that coming from North Louisiana.
you head up that way and you get much more redneck-ish like you see heading east through Mississippi and Alabama.
even their accents begin to blend with each other.
the southern part of Louisiana is such an eclectic mix of races and nationalities racism isn't as prevalent.
still there. especially with old oil money white guys, but in regular day to day life, not so much.
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Nutriaitch
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Georgis is probably 4th or so on the list.
Mississippi is about the worst, with South Carolina and Bama fighting for 2nd.
the violence towards black has subsided, but the overall hatred really hasn't.
I work with a black guy who's getting close to 60 (was growing up during worst parts of civil rights movement) that grew up outside of Meridian, MS.
to this day, he's still not real comfortable around groups of white people.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
Stop beating yourselves up. You want to know the real reason why the SEC is better than the Big Ten now?
https://www.census.gov/dataviz/visualizations/024/
Just move the slide along and look at the differences 1920 - 1970 and today.
https://www.census.gov/dataviz/visualizations/024/
Just move the slide along and look at the differences 1920 - 1970 and today.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
"MaxBuck said: ↑
Louisiana is the state in which I heard a motel owner tell me he had to drain his (Winnfield, Best Western) pool because a PhD Egyptian geologist decided to take a dip after a long day of drilling wells. This was in 1989. Bad as 'Bama was, I never heard anything approaching that. North Louisiana was like that; nearer Red Stick and NOLA things were quite different.
Plus, you all sort of speak French, so the "lacrosse" thing made sense."
"Nutriaitch said: I can believe that coming from North Louisiana.
you head up that way and you get much more redneck-ish like you see heading east through Mississippi and Alabama.
even their accents begin to blend with each other.
the southern part of Louisiana is such an eclectic mix of races and nationalities racism isn't as prevalent.
still there. especially with old oil money white guys, but in regular day to day life, not so much."
I think the North takes more credit than it deserves in regards to racial issues. Dayton Dunbar High School (Opened in 1932) was created to give black students a high school, separate, but equal, to the white high schools of Stivers, Steele, Fairview and Kiser. Jesse Owens was not permitted to live in Baker Hall, but had to live in an off campus rooming house. Into the mid 1950's National Cash Register, the single biggest employer in Dayton, hired blacks for two positions: janitorial staff and kitchen staff. NCR had a huge employee park, Old River, with a beautiful swimming pool. The park was open to all white employees and their families from Memorial Day to Labor Day. On July 4th of each year there was a band concert followed by a fireworks show. On July 5th the park was open only to black employees and their families. On the evening of the 5th the pool was drained, scrubbed down and refilled and only white employees and their families could use the park for the rest of the summer. Roosevelt High School, opened in 1931, had a swimming pool until black families began to move into the school's district at which time the pool was filled in and the space turned into other uses. In the early 1960s there were incidents where blacks attempted to stay in the Biltmore Hotel and eat at the Brown Derby, The Tropics and King Cole restaurants and were either turned away or not served.
My high school, Kettering Fairmont, was the largest in the greater metropolitan area of Dayton in the late fifties and most of the sixties. In the three years I attended Fairmont we had exactly 3 black students, a brother and sister whose father worked for the cities trash collection department, and a boy whose father was the greenskeeper for NCR's golf course. No black families were allowed to buy into the area - though I grew up with the sons and daughters of German rocket scientists assigned the Wright - Patterson - Japanese and Chinese kids - until the Civil Rights Act barred red lining by banks and real estate companies.
Racism was more blatant, more in your face, often more violent in the South, but hardly an exclusive quality to Dixie.
Louisiana is the state in which I heard a motel owner tell me he had to drain his (Winnfield, Best Western) pool because a PhD Egyptian geologist decided to take a dip after a long day of drilling wells. This was in 1989. Bad as 'Bama was, I never heard anything approaching that. North Louisiana was like that; nearer Red Stick and NOLA things were quite different.
Plus, you all sort of speak French, so the "lacrosse" thing made sense.
""Nutriaitch said: I can believe that coming from North Louisiana.
you head up that way and you get much more redneck-ish like you see heading east through Mississippi and Alabama.
even their accents begin to blend with each other.
the southern part of Louisiana is such an eclectic mix of races and nationalities racism isn't as prevalent.
still there. especially with old oil money white guys, but in regular day to day life, not so much."
I think the North takes more credit than it deserves in regards to racial issues. Dayton Dunbar High School (Opened in 1932) was created to give black students a high school, separate, but equal, to the white high schools of Stivers, Steele, Fairview and Kiser. Jesse Owens was not permitted to live in Baker Hall, but had to live in an off campus rooming house. Into the mid 1950's National Cash Register, the single biggest employer in Dayton, hired blacks for two positions: janitorial staff and kitchen staff. NCR had a huge employee park, Old River, with a beautiful swimming pool. The park was open to all white employees and their families from Memorial Day to Labor Day. On July 4th of each year there was a band concert followed by a fireworks show. On July 5th the park was open only to black employees and their families. On the evening of the 5th the pool was drained, scrubbed down and refilled and only white employees and their families could use the park for the rest of the summer. Roosevelt High School, opened in 1931, had a swimming pool until black families began to move into the school's district at which time the pool was filled in and the space turned into other uses. In the early 1960s there were incidents where blacks attempted to stay in the Biltmore Hotel and eat at the Brown Derby, The Tropics and King Cole restaurants and were either turned away or not served.
My high school, Kettering Fairmont, was the largest in the greater metropolitan area of Dayton in the late fifties and most of the sixties. In the three years I attended Fairmont we had exactly 3 black students, a brother and sister whose father worked for the cities trash collection department, and a boy whose father was the greenskeeper for NCR's golf course. No black families were allowed to buy into the area - though I grew up with the sons and daughters of German rocket scientists assigned the Wright - Patterson - Japanese and Chinese kids - until the Civil Rights Act barred red lining by banks and real estate companies.
Racism was more blatant, more in your face, often more violent in the South, but hardly an exclusive quality to Dixie.
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ShowMeBuck
You know what? Chicken butt.
How to fix the B1G? Offer up Suga Shane as the sacrificial lamb and watch the dominoes fall.
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BigWoof31
"Barkin' up the wrong tree"
It's typical that the "SEC IS MOST RAYCESS" argument tends to dominate discussions of conference superiority.
If there was even the slightest inclination that the region treated blacks unfairly or with any lack of tolerance, there would be a mass protest and mass exodus, preceded by firings and public apologies.
The bottom line is the exact opposite is happening and with every passing year the region grows more and more diverse.
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"MaxBuck said: ↑
Louisiana is the state in which I heard a motel owner tell me he had to drain his (Winnfield, Best Western) pool because a PhD Egyptian geologist decided to take a dip after a long day of drilling wells. This was in 1989. Bad as 'Bama was, I never heard anything approaching that. North Louisiana was like that; nearer Red Stick and NOLA things were quite different.
Plus, you all sort of speak French, so the "lacrosse" thing made sense.
"Nutriaitch said: I can believe that coming from North Louisiana.
you head up that way and you get much more redneck-ish like you see heading east through Mississippi and Alabama.
even their accents begin to blend with each other.
the southern part of Louisiana is such an eclectic mix of races and nationalities racism isn't as prevalent.
still there. especially with old oil money white guys, but in regular day to day life, not so much."
I think the North takes more credit than it deserves in regards to racial issues. Dayton Dunbar High School (Opened in 1932) was created to give black students a high school, separate, but equal, to the white high schools of Stivers, Steele, Fairview and Kiser. Jesse Owens was not permitted to live in Baker Hall, but had to live in an off campus rooming house. Into the mid 1950's National Cash Register, the single biggest employer in Dayton, hired blacks for two positions: janitorial staff and kitchen staff. NCR had a huge employee park, Old River, with a beautiful swimming pool. The park was open to all white employees and their families from Memorial Day to Labor Day. On July 4th of each year there was a band concert followed by a fireworks show. On July 5th the park was open only to black employees and their families. On the evening of the 5th the pool was drained, scrubbed down and refilled and only white employees and their families could use the park for the rest of the summer. Roosevelt High School, opened in 1931, had a swimming pool until black families began to move into the school's district at which time the pool was filled in and the space turned into other uses. In the early 1960s there were incidents where blacks attempted to stay in the Biltmore Hotel and eat at the Brown Derby, The Tropics and King Cole restaurants and were either turned away or not served.
My high school, Kettering Fairmont, was the largest in the greater metropolitan area of Dayton in the late fifties and most of the sixties. In the three years I attended Fairmont we had exactly 3 black students, a brother and sister whose father worked for the cities trash collection department, and a boy whose father was the greenskeeper for NCR's golf course. No black families were allowed to buy into the area - though I grew up with the sons and daughters of German rocket scientists assigned the Wright - Patterson - Japanese and Chinese kids - until the Civil Rights Act barred red lining by banks and real estate companies.
Racism was more blatant, more in your face, often more violent in the South, but hardly an exclusive quality to Dixie.
Similar experience in Elyria in the 80s when I was a child. A black family (Doctor and Nurse) wanted to move into our block, and a couple residents, mostly Silent Generation, opposed it on grounds of racial segregation. I'm glad they moved in anyway. As a kid I didn't have a clue any of this had gone on and the neighborhood children all played together regardless.
It's typical that the "SEC IS MOST RAYCESS" argument tends to dominate discussions of conference superiority.
If there was even the slightest inclination that the region treated blacks unfairly or with any lack of tolerance, there would be a mass protest and mass exodus, preceded by firings and public apologies.
The bottom line is the exact opposite is happening and with every passing year the region grows more and more diverse.
What about the girl, whose father is an alum and Judge, who was denied entry into a sorority b/c of race?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...in-racist-rejecting-two-applicants-black.html
There's a strong perception from outside the South (and I don't just mean the traditional North or Midwest -- I've spent most my time in America in WA and CO) that southern Universities bring in black players as a form of entertainment for rich white spectators. They're treated decently, even lavished to an extent as play-things, but never really given the keys to the land like the rest of the student body. They're gladiators ... never separated from the entertainment aspect. And any minority who isn't an athlete is still subject to segregation. Even then, they're not actually treated very well (oversigning and 1yr scholarships) and the education they receive is almost certainly subpar compared to their peers within the University (not just in a National Rankings sense). See UNC burying athletes in no-show African Heritage courses. To some extent every major power is engaged in burying athletes -- but to go that far, and to choose specifically that subject content as the smokescreen... it says something.
You can try to make bones of it by burying it under the excuse of conference inferiority, but that perception exists across the country and isn't limited to the SEC -- but to the geographical region.
This is what I think the difference is between what Cinci described and what I perceive, in my own experience and others, in the South. Yes, there is racism outside the South - often of a subtler nature, but no less harmful. However, my community stood up to the racists in the 80s and welcomed a minority to the block. And not in a Obama "first black resident - aren't we so merciful!" kind of way. We treated them the same as the other neighbors.
30 years later, Alabama will allow minorities to attend -- but still struggles with associating with them, to allow them to actually be part of that community.
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