Texas Longhorns (big hat, no cattle; please don’t Horns Down us)

[LovelandBuckeye]

Saying that is like saying you're a Time Warner rep in Lincoln. First off, it's not DISLIKED....that's past tense. DISLIKE is the proper word to use here.

Second, to say that Texas and Nebraska were pretty close is an error. Here you have one of the most storied programs in NCAA history in Nebraska. And in 1996-97, when they talked about getting rid of the old SWC and Texas joining the Big 12, folks in Nebraska saw the writing on the wall. What was the writing?

That Texas had all the dollars and would screw anybody else over they could to be the shot callers in the conference.

No, there isn't any love lost on the field between the two schools (cause quite frankly, we've been their beeiotches on the field, LOL). But a fan's take on it isn't why things got so acrimonious between the two schools. The reason why it's like that between Texas and Nebraska is because Nebraska fans care about the HISTORY and TRADITION of things, while it seems that many Texas bigwigs are more concerned with the almighty dollars they can generate.

It's no fault of their own, it's the differences in cultures that drove things the way they did. But what hastened the exit on Nebraska's part is that they were getting no support from the conference that they basically helped to build (talkin about the old Big 8 schools).

OU and Nebraska ran the Big 8 conference before Texas came in and tipped the pot their direction. That's why you see so much animosity between Texas and Nebraska. It's not about what college athletics is SUPPOSED to be about....molding young boys into great young men.

Hence the crap that tOSU is going through with ESPN (who happen to hold Texas' reigns right now). It's all about respect, or lack thereof.

And that my friend, is why I was glad Nebraska joined the B1G. I like the tradition of College Football. Teams like Alabama, Syracuse, Nebraska, USC, etc will always get a little respect from me just because they aren't some flash in the pan Boise State or soon to be Oregon.

There is only one game that out does The Game and the Iron Bowl combined and that is the Army-Navy game. Nothing is better in my opinion but I might be a tad bit biased even I think the academies put out turds for Officers. :tongue2:

 

[CHU]

If ESPN really goes forth with creating local sites for certain college towns (such as Columbus or ESPN Columbus), I will guarantee they will hire Hooley as the beat reporter.

 

[gregorylee]

If ESPN really goes forth with creating local sites for certain college towns (such as Columbus or ESPN Columbus), I will guarantee they will hire Hooley as the beat reporter.

sure they will, he doesn't have anything else going on, and he is an ESPuppetN

 

[MrNuke]

Second, to say that Texas and Nebraska were pretty close is an error.

After the issues surrounding the formation of the conference, Nebraska and Texas have been aligned on virtually every major issue. Along with Texas A&M and Oklahoma both schools formed the 4 school group to block the super majority vote needed to change the Big XII's unequal revenue sharing. Nebraska was on the verge of forming its own television network, etc. The only "major" disagreement near the end was signing a longer-term contract with Jerry Jones for the championship game site, and while I understand and respect Dr. Osborne's position on the issue, Jerry made a solid financial bid. Yeah there were multiple 11-1 votes in the formation of the conference over things like who would be the first commissioner and where to locate the conference offices. The only vote of real consequence there was the elimination of prop-48s, something the NCAA effectively did itself with-in a couple of years (making the Big XII's vote moot). Texas was and will always look out for their own interests. Nebraska fan anger in many ways in my opinion is misplaced. Want to be mad at someone? By mad at the 7 schools that you had 60+ years of history with in the Big 8 that voted against you and in some cases their own interests on those 11-1 votes.

That Texas had all the dollars and would screw anybody else over they could to be the shot callers in the conference? The reason why it's like that between Texas and Nebraska is because Nebraska fans care about the HISTORY and TRADITION of things, while it seems that many Texas bigwigs are more concerned with the almighty dollars they can generate.

This was my point about as Nebraska fans we need to think about what we say. I understand history and tradition "best fans in college football," etc. is the position of our fanbase. When you look at what we did administratively though it paints a different picture. We were for and continued to keep unequal revenue sharing because it made more money for Nebraska. Even in later years when the formula wasn't always as beneficial for Nebraska, be it Byne, Osborne Perlman we voted to keep it. Nebraska like Texas is an IMG school. Just as IMG negotiated Texas' ESPN deal, we had them exploring television options for us. The argument about Nebraska carrying about more than money and the other members of the conference would have been greatly strengthened had anyone ever stood up on unequal revenue sharing or had NU called out Texas on the Longhorn Network.

It's no fault of their own, it's the differences in cultures that drove things the way they did. But what hastened the exit on Nebraska's part is that they were getting no support from the conference that they basically helped to build (talkin about the old Big 8 schools).

And like I said earlier, as a Nebraska fan that is where I put my blame, and when the Kansas and Missouri politicians were begging Osborne last summer to stay due to the shared history, etc. I had no pity.

OU and Nebraska ran the Big 8 conference before Texas came in and tipped the pot their direction. That's why you see so much animosity between Texas and Nebraska. It's not about what college athletics is SUPPOSED to be about....molding young boys into great young men.

Personally I think it had more to do with Osborne retiring, hiring a bad replacement, firing bad replacement, and then hiring an even worse replacement yet, oh and a bunch of very close loses to the them too. Not much Texas really did during the formation of the conference could have possibly caused a team coming off of one of the best 5 year runs in college football history to drop off like they did.

 

[808 Buck]

Texas doesn?t even have to do the heavy lifting here. ESPN is doing it for them. Plus, if ESPN is willingly throwing money at the network to insure its success, what else will they do?like make sure Texas commits are invited to the ESPN-sponsored and televised all-star games, special college gameday events in Austin, more Longhorn advertising that builds national awareness of the Longhorn brand and name. You get the point. With this deal and what we are now seeing with this second game purchase from Fox, ESPN has deemed Texas too big to fail

http://tamu.scout.com/2/1086147.html

From another thread, so I'm not sure if someone else already linked this, but I found this to be interesting.

This is a very big deal IMHO.
"Commit to UT and we'll put your High School's games on the LongHorn Network this Friday"

Taking recruiting to a whole new level. All we need now is an apparel company to join in, and everyone's happy. Well, at least in Austin, Bristol, and Beaverton.

 

[Bestbuck36]

Nebraska has belonged in the Big10 for a long time now. Should have been here before Penn State. What took you so long?



Better late than never, huh.

 

[alexhortdog95]

Nebraska has belonged in the Big10 for a long time now. Should have been here before Penn State. What took you so long?

Better late than never, huh.

We were too busy creating the McRib.

 

[knapplc]

Oklahoma, Texas A&M may look at moving to SEC because of Texas' TV network

BIRMINGHAM?The continuing evolution of Texas? place in the Big 12 will have far-reaching ramifications?including the most powerful conference in college football.

A source told Sporting News Wednesday that both Texas A&M and Oklahoma are so concerned about rival Texas gaining a recruiting advantage with the newly-formed Longhorn Network, the two institutions could turn to the SEC if the problems can?t be figured out. The core issue: The Longhorn Network will televise live high school football games in the state of Texas, an obvious recruiting advantage for Texas.

SEC commissioner Mike Slive said Wednesday that he will ?continue to do what is in the best interest of the SEC.?

?It is my job to make sure the SEC is the premiere league,? Slive said. ?For me to exclude any action that would preclude that from happening would be inappropriate.?

Texas A&M and Oklahoma were both in talks with the SEC last summer when Texas was contemplating a move to the Pac-10. The Big 12 eventually made it work in the 11th hour, in part, because of heavyweight Texas? deal to pursue its own television network outside of the league coffers.

Now that the network will include televising high school games in the state of Texas, the dynamics of the Big 12 (and the SEC) could still change. Slive said that he is ?comfortable? with the current 12-team SEC, and that it would take a ?paradigm shift? for the SEC to expand.

Texas A&M and Oklahoma looking for a new home would be that kind of shift. Moreover, Slive said the SEC?s television deals with CBS and ESPN have clauses that allow them to renegotiate if the conference structure changes.

In other words, adding two teams wouldn?t mean the SEC is dividing the current revenue pie. It would mean, more than anything, completely restructured deals that would likely dwarf the $2 billion-plus the SEC receives from current CBS and ESPN deals.

Speculation? Saber-rattling? Or real possibility? Hard to say at this point.

One has to wonder, though, what both Oklahoma and Texas A&M were thinking when they spent the last 15 years in lock-step with Texas, acting like the two biggest yes-men in the Big XII. What did they think was going to happen with the essentially blank check Texas was given by the conference? Hard to feel much sympathy for them.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

Speculation? Saber-rattling? Or real possibility? Hard to say at this point.

One has to wonder, though, what both Oklahoma and Texas A&M were thinking when they spent the last 15 years in lock-step with Texas, acting like the two biggest yes-men in the Big XII. What did they think was going to happen with the essentially blank check Texas was given by the conference? Hard to feel much sympathy for them.

Yesterday they had a guy on who runs some A&M recruiting site that now has no affiliation. Claims doesn't think its going to happen that "Fox will try keep it together so they can get the BIG XII-II in 2014 or 2016 and they (Big XII-II) can make shit tons of money from the next TV contract."

the stupidity of some people astounds me. The guy doesn't seem to understand that ESPN owns Bevo TV for the next 10 years...Another thing is the local peons were talking last summer about how ND was going to come join UT in the big 12 because they can have their own network. If you ask me.. UT is headed down a road ND is on... They want all their cake, piss in everyones cheerios and thinks everyone should love them for it. I seriously see them going independent because they think that it will make them more money.

 

[matcar]

Speculation? Saber-rattling? Or real possibility? Hard to say at this point.

One has to wonder, though, what both Oklahoma and Texas A&M were thinking when they spent the last 15 years in lock-step with Texas, acting like the two biggest yes-men in the Big XII. What did they think was going to happen with the essentially blank check Texas was given by the conference? Hard to feel much sympathy for them.

Since BYU has now done so, would something like this cause Texas to go independent?

 

[knapplc]

Since BYU has now done so, would something like this cause Texas to go independent?

As soon as the Longhorn Network shows sustainable profits, which I think it will do with the large fan base they have, they'll be able to go independent and maintain their level of income.

That doesn't mean they will go independent, though. If they can keep the Big XII together - and it's clear they're the force behind whether it stays together or not - there's no reason for them to leave the conference presuming it's making them even a little bit of money. I would imagine scheduling would be easier in football, and there's always the dilemma of where their Olympic sports would play. Even Notre Dame has some conference affiliation of necessity for those sports.

 

[muffler dragon]

Another thing is the local peons were talking last summer about how ND was going to come join UT in the big 12 because they can have their own network. If you ask me.. UT is headed down a road ND is on... They want all their cake, piss in everyones cheerios and thinks everyone should love them for it. I seriously see them going independent because they think that it will make them more money.

Ntre Ame already has its own network: NBC.

 

[matcar]

As soon as the Longhorn Network shows sustainable profits, which I think it will do with the large fan base they have, they'll be able to go independent and maintain their level of income.

That doesn't mean they will go independent, though. If they can keep the Big XII together - and it's clear they're the force behind whether it stays together or not - there's no reason for them to leave the conference presuming it's making them even a little bit of money. I would imagine scheduling would be easier in football, and there's always the dilemma of where their Olympic sports would play. Even Notre Dame has some conference affiliation of necessity for those sports.

I think the reason why they could go independent is because, if OU and aTm left, there wouldn't be much of a conference to stick around for.

 

[knapplc]

I think the reason why they could go independent is because, if OU and aTm left, there wouldn't be much of a conference to stick around for.

Totally agree. Texas has to balance their profits (and greed) with the conference as a whole - but they're in the catbird's seat because they don't care if the conference falls apart. If they sour the mix so badly that either A&M or Oklahoma (or both) leaves, they have the security of their ESPN contract to fall back on. They are really in a win/win situation here, and they control it by what they're willing to give up in order to keep the conference together, or they can squeeze as much as possible out of it, implode it, then walk off into the sunset of independence.

ESPN will protect the public image of their investment by providing round-the-clock positive spin on Texas' actions and motives on TV, the webz and radio, so there's little to fear from public perception. As we know, all too often sheeple simply believe what ESPN says is fact. Whether it's A&M or Oklahoma or both, they'll be painted as "the bad guy," as the reason(s) for the final demise of the Big XII, begun back in 2010 by those evil bastards at Nebraska.

 

[Coqui]

http://tamu.scout.com/2/1086147.html

From another thread, so I'm not sure if someone else already linked this, but I found this to be interesting.



Taking recruiting to a whole new level. All we need now is an apparel company to join in, and everyone's happy. Well, at least in Austin, Bristol, and Beaverton.

How is that not an NCAA violation?