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Texas Longhorns (big hat, no cattle; please don’t Horns Down us)

BuckeyeMike80;1954170; said:
ok...

aTm to the ESECPN, Clemson to ESECPN....

That will allow the Big Ten/12 to swoop in and pick up Ntre Ame (I think this may be on the table shortly) and Virginia from what's left of the ACC. Add in Missouri and Syracuse or maybe Maryland, and there you have it, a 16 team Big Ten/12/14/16...

Notre Dame's failsafe is the Big East. If you cannot get Notre Dame, you pillage the Big East to the point that there is nothing left for Notre Dame to flee to and teach them a lesson.

Missouri, Syracuse, Connecticut, and Maryland (or Virginia) are all acceptable choices. That locks up the NE, gives you control of Bristol's backyard, and instantly makes you the most powerful Men's Basketball Conference.

People point to football as the be-all-end-all, but don't forget that ESPN is filling airtime with college basketball games for four months a year, and then there's March Madness on top of that sundae.

Missouri is the common sense choice based on geography and profile, but Syracuse and UConn will be big players, regardless their football pedigree (and Syracuse has that, even if they haven't flashed it since Donovan McNabb left).
 
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phase 1 - go to 12.....Nebraska

phase 2 - go to 14.....Missouri + Maryland

phase 3 - go to 16.....Rutgers + VaTEch or Syracuse or Kansas or Notre Dame


the dominoes fall:

Big12 takes in TCU(after it leaves BigEast) and Tulsa or Boise
 
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Dryden;1954178; said:
Notre Dame's failsafe is the Big East. If you cannot get Notre Dame, you pillage the Big East to the point that there is nothing left for Notre Dame to flee to and teach them a lesson.

TV and media wise Notre Dame owns Chicago, New York, Philly and much of Boston. It's the power of tradition, religion and a market that got out of College sports -- except ND football -- in the late 30s. The fact that ND has been so - so for the last 10 years isn't going to change that.

That power is increased by dolts like me who record each ND game in the hopes that they get beat -- in which case I'll watch the game. Haters hating adds to the TV numbers and the guys keeping the money score don't care much who you cheer for.

The Big 10 could stop scheduling ND, but the Irish would have no trouble filling the void -- go back to my first point, what second tier SEC/Big 12/Pac 12 team wouldn't jump at the prospect of taking Purdue's or Michigan State's spot? What first tier SEC team wouldn't enjoy taking Michigan's spot in a home and home series with an all but guaranteed national TV slot?

The only people with a real shot at bringing the Irish to heel is the Big East. ND needs a conference for its non-revenue sports and basketball. Why they haven't jumped in and taken to Big East football amazes me. They could retain their rivalry game with USC and get a bigger bang for the buck by replacing Navy/Army/Air Force with Rutgers, Pitt and Syracuse. Perhaps it's fear that this would help/elevate the other programs -- programs in the very market that ND enjoys pretty much to itself -- and thus boost recruiting power in an area ND depends on. My own thought is that they would all but own the conference's annual guaranteed BCS Bowl slot, something they don't have now. But let's face it, given their market pull ND is going to a good bowl anytime they have a decent (7 - 8 wins) season.

All things considered, as long as ND holds on to their market advantage I don't see anything that can force them to change.
 
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cincibuck;1954271; said:
TV and media wise Notre Dame owns Chicago, New York, Philly and much of Boston. It's the power of tradition, religion and a market that got out of College sports -- except ND football -- in the late 30s. The fact that ND has been so - so for the last 10 years isn't going to change that.

I will say that Chicago is nowhere near as ND dominated as it was when I came here for grad school twenty years ago. NU and Illinois get almost as much television and newsprint, and general Big Ten news is not ignored.

In the Fall, Chicago is definitely a Bears town, but there is a vast and very noticeable college football presence (even Texas and the SEC teams have dedicated bars) with thousands of sweatshirt clad alums stumbling through Lincoln Park and Lakeview on Saturdays that really makes it much more pro-college balanced than the NE cities and subsequently the best sports city in America.
 
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Dryden;1954066; said:
And they would also invite half the football recruits in the state of Texas to watch more Arkansas and LSU football games.

Bingo... TAMU would be a big coup for the SEC, CBS and SECSPN.

BuckeyeMike80;1954170; said:
Add in Missouri and Syracuse or maybe Maryland, and there you have it, a 16 team Big Ten/12/14/16...

Dryden;1954178; said:
Missouri, Syracuse, Connecticut, and Maryland (or Virginia) are all acceptable choices. That locks up the NE, gives you control of Bristol's backyard, and instantly makes you the most powerful Men's Basketball Conference.

Missouri is the common sense choice based on geography and profile, but Syracuse and UConn will be big players, regardless their football pedigree (and Syracuse has that, even if they haven't flashed it since Donovan McNabb left).

DaveyBoy;1954215; said:
phase 1 - go to 12.....Nebraska

phase 2 - go to 14.....Missouri + Maryland

phase 3 - go to 16.....Rutgers + VaTEch or Syracuse or Kansas or Notre Dame


the dominoes fall:

Big12 takes in TCU(after it leaves BigEast) and Tulsa or Boise

I don't understand the love for Missouri. Outside of their J-school it offers nothing by way of academics. We already have half the STL market thanks to Illinois. So ask yourselves, is adding KC as a market (a split market at that w/ KU) that important? Head east and partly southeast... dominate with better markets and academics. Pick off the best Big East and ACC schools possible.
 
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bucks93;1954637; said:
Wow, I didn't realize the Longhorn Network was going to be run by ESPN.



I would compare ESPN to Fox News, but at least there are other alternatives to Fox (not that any of them are really worth watching though...)

Hope you aren't implying that Fox is watchable. :p
 
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Muck;1954370; said:
What is the norm?

UT's performance in the 00's or that of the 80's & 90's when they won less than 2/3s of their games?

By that standard, the same question could be applied to us vs. Michigan.

My whole point, it basing it off of one season vs Mack Brown's entire time as coach of Texas.
 
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knapplc;1953811; said:
I swear to you it is a matter of time until Texas finally trashes the Big XII. While the smaller schools will never call the Longhorns on their douchebaggery because they NEED the Big XII, Oklahoma and/or Texas A&M will eventually get fed up with this B.S. and strike off like Nebraska and Colorado.
This is where as a Nebraska fan you have to think carefully. I know the Nebraska fan base disliked Texas and all things Texas, but administratively and conference issue wise the two were pretty close. Yeah there were disagreements over things like how the conference championship game all of the sudden went from a Missouri/Texas rotation to all Texas sites... That said, Nebraska was exploring launching their own network before bolting for the Big Ten. Certainly this "issue" could cause some friction between Texas and the rest of the conference, but ultimately it is an ESPN issue. Texas is getting paid $300 million over 20 years regardless of how few or many football games that channel gets. ESPN is the entity that has assumed the risk that they need to make more than $300 million.
 
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Dryden;1953818; said:
If this is big news, it's only big to the Texas A&M leadership, because the rest of us could see where this was going to go 14 months ago.
That factor among others is where the logic from that article completely breaks down. I would call that whole article sour grapes. A&M decided to stay in the conference knowing the LSN was coming. From my perspective not much has changed since last summer to all of the sudden outrage Aggie. Last summer when everything was going down, it was known Texas was on the verge of launching their own network. Obviously the dollar terms weren't known, but we knew it would exist soon and they'd get at least one game somehow.

The fact the previous contract didn't allow for teams to telecast 1 game lead me to believe at the time that either 1) ABC would move a game or games to LSN or 2) Assuming ESPN won a bid they'd buy the games off of Fox. Either way you are going through a process that doesn't limit you to 1 game. Judging by the internet's response to the 2 game announcement, I don?t think anyone was shocked that Texas is getting more than 1 game.

the author comes across as seeking to find some way or reason to justify that the SEC would still be interested in expanding in addition to the bogus television argument. I?ll address the TV issue first. The whole notion that the conference would add two teams because they are less than thrilled how their television deal ended up working (a record deal with everyone wanting to kiss Slive's rear-end at the time) is laughable at best. You don?t undertake something that could last 50+ years because you are mildly upset about revenue for the next 5 to 10 years. Plus it is unclear how exactly additional teams would be handled per undisclosed terms with CBS and ESPN.

As for the SEC NCAA issue? That conference has historically had NCAA issues. It moves on from them and it continues to thrive. 1 or 2 teams may temporarily go down to the hammer, but others will rise (see Saban turning around Alabama after NCAA issues). That conference is so deep that I don?t think it is that much to worry about.

It is pretty clear that ever since last summer there has been a strong SEC support movement on their message boards. That said it was equally as clear that their administration, AD, and likely ultimately their boosters (as the admin and AD answer to them) weren't as enthralled with the notion. A&M benefits from quite a bit in the Big XII. Quite a few games in the state of Texas, natural rivals, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if they rode it out there until the end. It is quite possible that Texas, Oklahoma, or A&M makes a first strike move at some point, but in many ways those schools might be less likely to act. The two have strong ties to UT, and all 3 are guaranteed to find a spot in a solid BCS conference should it hit the fan in the Big XII.

I?m still not convinced that A&M has a standing standalone invitation to the SEC or that the SEC is even interested in expanding right now. Slive was no doubt exploring options last summer. That said, what we thought was going to happen last summer and what actually happened are quite different. It was the general consensus that the Big Ten wouldn't stop with one team, that they?d go to 14 or 16 for the Big Ten Network and if that happened the Pac-12 and the SEC would likely need to act quick and lock up the solid teams out there. Conference Armageddon was obviously averted for now. Despite what happened with the SEC and their last television negotiations, (and actually nothing bad happened they got paid a record amount. Others just happened to get paid more lately) that conference is arguably still the most preeminent conference in college athletics. It isn't like the Big Ten who had a crooked number and was one short of a conference championship game.
 
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MrNuke;1954791; said:
This is where as a Nebraska fan you have to think carefully. I know the Nebraska fan base disliked Texas and all things Texas, but administratively and conference issue wise the two were pretty close.

Saying that is like saying you're a Time Warner rep in Lincoln. First off, it's not DISLIKED....that's past tense. DISLIKE is the proper word to use here.

Second, to say that Texas and Nebraska were pretty close is an error. Here you have one of the most storied programs in NCAA history in Nebraska. And in 1996-97, when they talked about getting rid of the old SWC and Texas joining the Big 12, folks in Nebraska saw the writing on the wall. What was the writing?

That Texas had all the dollars and would screw anybody else over they could to be the shot callers in the conference.

No, there isn't any love lost on the field between the two schools (cause quite frankly, we've been their beeiotches on the field, LOL). But a fan's take on it isn't why things got so acrimonious between the two schools. The reason why it's like that between Texas and Nebraska is because Nebraska fans care about the HISTORY and TRADITION of things, while it seems that many Texas bigwigs are more concerned with the almighty dollars they can generate.

It's no fault of their own, it's the differences in cultures that drove things the way they did. But what hastened the exit on Nebraska's part is that they were getting no support from the conference that they basically helped to build (talkin about the old Big 8 schools).

OU and Nebraska ran the Big 8 conference before Texas came in and tipped the pot their direction. That's why you see so much animosity between Texas and Nebraska. It's not about what college athletics is SUPPOSED to be about....molding young boys into great young men.

Hence the crap that tOSU is going through with ESPN (who happen to hold Texas' reigns right now). It's all about respect, or lack thereof.
 
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