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Talking Religion...

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Gatorubet;2125894; said:
Pat Robertson says oral sex is OK - sorta.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/15/pat-robertson-oral-sex-is-ok_n_1347517.html?ref=religion


"Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing" (Ephesians 5:24).
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Shit, Robertson's got nothing on the big guy himself.

"If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife." Deuteronomy 22:23

"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." Deuteronomy 22:28

:huh:

The bible is as nutty about sex as the koran. The difference is christians don't take their book as seriously as muslims, which begs a different set of philosophical questions about religious faith. Is your book of choice "holy" or not?
 
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Jake;2126507; said:
[Mark May], Robertson's got nothing on the big guy himself.

"If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife." Deuteronomy 22:23

"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." Deuteronomy 22:28

:huh:

The bible is as nutty about sex as the koran. The difference is christians don't take their book as seriously as muslims, which begs a different set of philosophical questions about religious faith. Is your book of choice "holy" or not?
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I'd gladly pay the 50 pieces of silver. I don't know about the marrying part though.
 
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BoxCar_Willie;2127891; said:
I am not huge on talking religion but I could go the rest of my life and never hear another muslim prayer call. Yes, sleep is more important than praying, not the other way around.
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Those tinny sounding PA speakers it just make it worse.
 
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Jake;2126507; said:
The bible is as nutty about sex as the koran. The difference is christians don't take their book as seriously as muslims, which begs a different set of philosophical questions about religious faith. Is your book of choice "holy" or not?
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Hmmmmm,

1. When are they going to build that mosque in downtown NYC, within view of the Twin Towers site?

2. 1997 Gallup poll claimed that 32 to 46% of Americans listed themselves as evangelicals or "born again."

3. Rick Santorium.

4. Try running for re-election after skipping the Prayer Breakfast.
 
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Gatorubet;2139135; said:
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/09/evidence-in-science-and-religion-part-two/

Science and Religion - to what extent do both require "Faith" ?
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Thanks for posting. Made me remember my collegiate experience surrounding Physical Chemistry. That was the first time that hard science became a matter of theory. As I've talked with a couple doctorates about this since, it's amazing that there is a matter of taking things as cold, hard fact and then figuratively blowing those thoughts up with theoretical considerations.
 
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The author loves his thesaurus but his points are pretty weak. It's long-winded as hell but I will note a couple items:

What I do assert is that with respect to a single demand ? the demand that the methodological procedures of an enterprise be tethered to the world of fact in a manner unmediated by assumptions ? science and religion are in the same condition of not being able to meet it (as are history, anthropology, political science, sociology, psychology and all the rest).
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So unless a scientific conclusion can be 100% factually proven with no uncertainty whatsoever, it is - "with respect to a single demand" - the functional equivalent to a bible passage, for example, for which we have 0% scientific proof to support it? It is simply taken on "faith". Ummm, no. Proving something with 95% certainty isn't remotely the same as "God said it, I believe it! that settles it!" in respect to a single demand, or otherwise.

Yes, the apostle of science will reply: that just shows that science is progressive and can correct its mistakes, while religion lacks a mechanism for detecting and purging error.
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The "apostle of science" line is cute, but he inadvertently shoots down his own argument. Science grows and changes as we gain new understandings - "corrects its mistakes" and discovers new things - unless religious dogma gets in its way (see the Dark Ages and the Inquisition). Why? Because dogma doesn't change if it's "God's Word" handed down 2,000 years ago. Reality must conform to dogma (by any means necessary) while science conforms to reality. Otherwise, they're exactly the same.

Fortunately, science ultimately was allowed to grow and we're not debating this topic quill pens and papyrus paper. No thanks to the religious leaders of several centuries.

I'm not wasting time breaking down the next few paragraphs of apologetics because he simply repeats his argument in different words. I will, however, add this:

"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it." - Neil deGrasse Tyson
 
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Jake;2126507; said:
The bible is as nutty about sex as the koran. The difference is christians don't take their book as seriously as muslims, which begs a different set of philosophical questions about religious faith. Is your book of choice "holy" or not?
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cincibuck;2139145; said:
Hmmmmm,

1. When are they going to build that mosque in downtown NYC, within view of the Twin Towers site?

2. 1997 Gallup poll claimed that 32 to 46% of Americans listed themselves as evangelicals or "born again."

3. Rick Santorium.

4. Try running for re-election after skipping the Prayer Breakfast.
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That's all very interesting, and irrelevant. You obviously missed the point that I was talking about Christians not taking their bible as seriously as Muslims in regards to what their books say about sex.

If they did, we would see Christians stoning people for adultery in downtown Cleveland, which to date hasn't been happening:

And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. - Leviticus 20:10
 
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cincibuck;2139145; said:
2. 1997 Gallup poll claimed that 32 to 46% of Americans listed themselves as evangelicals or "born again."
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Why would you reference a Gallup poll from 1997? They conduct religious polls every year and the overwhelming trend the last few decades is that fewer people identify themselves with a specific church or sect and the fastest growing segment is "none".
 
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