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The Bahaí Faith takes á different viewpoint.

Bahá’ís reject the notion that there is an inherent conflict between science and religion, a notion that became prevalent in intellectual discourse at a time when the very conception of each system of knowledge was far from adequate. The harmony of science and religion is one of the fundamental principles of the Bahá’í Faith, which teaches that religion, without science, soon degenerates into superstition and fanaticism, while science without religion becomes merely the instrument of crude materialism. “Religion,” according to the Bahá’í writings, “is the outer expression of the divine reality. Therefore, it must be living, vitalized, moving and progressive.”[1]“Science is the first emanation from God toward man. All created things embody the potentiality of material perfection, but the power of intellectual investigation and scientific acquisition is a higher virtue specialized to man alone. Other beings and organisms are deprived of this potentiality and attainment.”[2]

So far as earthly existence is concerned, many of the greatest achievements of religion have been moral in character. Through its teachings and through the examples of human lives illumined by these teachings, masses of people in all ages and lands have developed the capacity to love, to give generously, to serve others, to forgive, to trust in God, and to sacrifice for the common good. Social structures and institutional systems have been devised that translate these moral advances into the norms of social life on a vast scale. In the final analysis, the spiritual impulses set in motion by the Founders of the world’s religions—the Manifestations of God—have been the chief influence in the civilizing of human character.

‘Abdu’l-Bahá has described science as the “most noble” of all human virtues and “the discoverer of all things”.[3] Science has enabled society to separate fact from conjecture. Further, scientific capabilities—of observing, of measuring, of rigorously testing ideas—have allowed humanity to construct a coherent understanding of the laws and processes governing physical reality, as well as to gain insights into human conduct and the life of society.

Taken together, science and religion provide the fundamental organizing principles by which individuals, communities, and institutions function and evolve. When the material and spiritual dimensions of the life of a community are kept in mind and due attention is given to both scientific and spiritual knowledge, the tendency to reduce human progress to the consumption of goods, services and technological packages is avoided. Scientific knowledge, to take but one simple example, helps the members of a community to analyse the physical and social implications of a given technological proposal—say, its environmental impact—and spiritual insight gives rise to moral imperatives that uphold social harmony and that ensure technology serves the common good. Together, these two sources of knowledge are essential to the liberation of individuals and communities from the traps of ignorance and passivity. They are vital to the advancement of civilization."" Source
 
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Thanks for sharing above, Steve.
It's serendipitous as I was recently thinking about "moral" and whether religious faith or being theistic actually plays an apriori role.
I understand the Bahai' sentiment that you've written above.
I just don't necessarily agree. Nonetheless, my opinion is irrelevant. If Bahai' practicants are happy and loving, then what should I care, right?
 
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I have not, but I recall seeing his name when Solaris (2002) came out and I watched. Would you elaborate on the question?
"It's just as likely that "life" was brought her from space..."

Lem was a Polish writer during the Eastern Bloc days (his novel Solaris is early 60s) and often used sci-fi to get his satire past the censors. In one story (can't remember the exact context) Earth is a dump used by "advanced civilizations" and life originates from the accidental mixing of discarded toxic wastes (the point being it was "just as likely" as any other scenario). It has been well over 40 years since I've read him but he had some great takes on time travel, AI, computers, government...and would certainly recommend him.
 
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The Bahaí Faith takes á different viewpoint.

Bahá’ís reject the notion that there is an inherent conflict between science and religion, a notion that became prevalent in intellectual discourse at a time when the very conception of each system of knowledge was far from adequate. The harmony of science and religion is one of the fundamental principles of the Bahá’í Faith, which teaches that religion, without science, soon degenerates into superstition and fanaticism, while science without religion becomes merely the instrument of crude materialism. “Religion,” according to the Bahá’í writings, “is the outer expression of the divine reality. Therefore, it must be living, vitalized, moving and progressive.”[1]“Science is the first emanation from God toward man. All created things embody the potentiality of material perfection, but the power of intellectual investigation and scientific acquisition is a higher virtue specialized to man alone. Other beings and organisms are deprived of this potentiality and attainment.”[2]

So far as earthly existence is concerned, many of the greatest achievements of religion have been moral in character. Through its teachings and through the examples of human lives illumined by these teachings, masses of people in all ages and lands have developed the capacity to love, to give generously, to serve others, to forgive, to trust in God, and to sacrifice for the common good. Social structures and institutional systems have been devised that translate these moral advances into the norms of social life on a vast scale. In the final analysis, the spiritual impulses set in motion by the Founders of the world’s religions—the Manifestations of God—have been the chief influence in the civilizing of human character.

‘Abdu’l-Bahá has described science as the “most noble” of all human virtues and “the discoverer of all things”.[3] Science has enabled society to separate fact from conjecture. Further, scientific capabilities—of observing, of measuring, of rigorously testing ideas—have allowed humanity to construct a coherent understanding of the laws and processes governing physical reality, as well as to gain insights into human conduct and the life of society.

Taken together, science and religion provide the fundamental organizing principles by which individuals, communities, and institutions function and evolve. When the material and spiritual dimensions of the life of a community are kept in mind and due attention is given to both scientific and spiritual knowledge, the tendency to reduce human progress to the consumption of goods, services and technological packages is avoided. Scientific knowledge, to take but one simple example, helps the members of a community to analyse the physical and social implications of a given technological proposal—say, its environmental impact—and spiritual insight gives rise to moral imperatives that uphold social harmony and that ensure technology serves the common good. Together, these two sources of knowledge are essential to the liberation of individuals and communities from the traps of ignorance and passivity. They are vital to the advancement of civilization."" Source
Thanks for sharing, Steve.

Growing up, I was very close and influenced heavily by my grandfather. He was a devout Christian professor, who taught geology and physics, and was the the most salt of the earth "academic" I've ever known. He was an infectiously joyful person, and that rubbed off on anyone he encountered, whether teaching about the cosmos, the tiniest geological details in the Illinois dirt, or when making friendships while getting supplies at Ace Hardware :lol:

He taught me many things, but three that stand out were:

- To always marvel at His creation, and never lose that childlike wonder, including at the smallest things. We were made to worship, it's just a matter of how and where we direct that devotion. This is particularly fresh at the moment, having just come back from Yosemite last night.

- That God is far too big and diverse to fit into the boxes we try to make for him, and those conflicts almost always emerge from our limited perspectives. He welcomed the advances in Evolution, and felt that both extremes of the aisle were short sighted, particularly the religious types whose God was too feeble or basic to be able to utilize that system within His methods.

- That advances in science, particularly recent ones, do not oppose a creator but reinforce it at every turn. They are two compatible sides of the same wonder.
 
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Extreme wealth leads to apathy.
I have a lot of apathy right now....

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