Talking Religion...

[Gatorubet]

Specific similarities between Jesus and Krishna. (personally, I don't consider Krishna an actual person but an archetype as is more typical of Hinduism.) There is much better evidence that Jesus existed than Krishna,also.

Similarities between two god-men saviors: Jesus and Krishna

The poet Rumi writes, somewhat blasphemously for a believer in Islam;
"We can't help being thirsty, moving toward the voice of water. Milk-drinkers draw close to the mother. Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, shamans, everyone hears the intelligent sound and moves, with thirst, to meet it.32"

That web site is a great find. Very well researched and with little bias - or at least a concerted attempt to be fair to all religions.

I do not know what makes Styx despise anyone who has a spiritual bent, but nobody here is disagreeing with the fact that horrible wrongs have been done in the name of religion. But then, horrible wrongs have been done in the name of almost any belief. Which is why Gulliver's Travels is such a great satire, with Lilliput and Blefuscu going to war over the way to crack an egg.

Religion itself - or spirituality itself - is not the cause of such evil. Intolerance and narrow mindedness existed before religion. The fact that both use religion like a parasite uses a host is a fact of the world, but I can argue that both would exist if we had secular rules of behavior devoid of any Divine origin. They would just manifest themselves in the secular rules, with people taking sides and looking down on the other side's intelligence and morality.

If you don't believe me, head over to the political discussion threads.

 

[jwinslow]

I'm glad to see the Christians taking on some of my other posts but no one has tackled this one, yet.

You're right, no one responded to it seven whole minutes later

I'd be curious to see a logical breakdown of my points

There wasn't an argument there.

It was just a rant filled with the kind of dogmatic anger & hateful stereotyping that you complain about in these threads.

Your rant was:
1. A religious census
2. For every believer, there are millions who think he's crazy
3. Most are lazy and don't investigate their faith
4. Believers are all stupid
5. It's stupid to think God works in a way besides Jake's expectations for God-conduct & evidence
6. More ridicule of their stupidity

Meanwhile you haven't bothered to actually investigate any of their faiths properly (despite the irony & frequency of rant part 3), as evidenced by your constant misunderstanding of core principles, context & even primary story lines for the God/leader's origins.

as they can't be attributed to an "atheist email", or other such assertions.

Is it really that hard to admit that your post was wrong? You're right, Jake, it's just a smear campaign, you didn't post a laundry list of lies...

...almost all of which were about religions besides our own.

 

[jwinslow]

That web site is a great find. Very well researched and with little bias - or at least a concerted attempt to be fair to all religions.

I've only scanned it quickly, but I'd agree from what I've seen thus far.

So until you show up with even a rudimentary working knowledge of the religions you despise, your mistake littered rants make you look silly.

Yup, that about sums it up.

Brewtus has some pretty harsh words for Creationists, but he understands the subject matter. That allows for actual debate, not angry rants that talk too loud to ever hear (let alone truly consider) the other side.

You don't need extensive knowledge of a religion to discuss it, but you better have it before ridiculing for their stupidity & ignorance to other religions.

 

[Jake]

You can play source police, criticize me, and whatever else makes you feel better, but the bottom line is there is no evidence to support your god or your faith. Your religion is no different than the other 20 or so in the world today, and those that came before it. None have any tangible evidence to support their existence. All that has changed is the date on the calendar.

One needn't waste time becoming an expert, in your eyes, in your silly religion when the book it is based on is littered with fantasies, contradictions, and actions by a "god" not worthy of anyone's worship. Meanwhile, you have not, and can not, provide a shred of evidence to justify your faith beyond the simple fact that you want to believe it.

Children want to believe in Santa Claus, but eventually they accept the fact that he exists only in their imagination. It's pretty sad watching adults cling to their own version of Santa Claus, talking to the air, giving credit to it when things go well, and dismissing pitfalls as not being part of "his" will, setting aside all rational thought in the process. Watching guys who actually practice such nonsense pat themselves on the backs as the voices of reason is the icing on the cake.

The only reason this garbage is even worthy of discussion is because of all the death, persecution and turmoil that has come from religious zealots for centuries, continuing to this day. If it wasn't so dangerous it would be hilarious.

 

[Gatorubet]

You can play source police, criticize me, and whatever else makes you feel better, but the bottom line is there is no evidence to support your god or your faith. Your religion is no different than the other 20 or so in the world today, and those that came before it. None have any tangible evidence to support their existence. All that has changed is the date on the calendar.

One needn't waste time becoming an expert, in your eyes, in your silly religion when the book it is based on is littered with fantasies, contradictions, and actions by a "god" not worthy of anyone's worship. Meanwhile, you have not, and can not, provide a shred of evidence to justify your faith beyond the simple fact that you want to believe it.

Children want to believe in Santa Claus, but eventually they accept the fact that he exists only in their imagination. It's pretty sad watching adults cling to their own version of Santa Claus, talking to the air, giving credit to it when things go well, and dismissing pitfalls as not being part of "his" will, setting aside all rational thought in the process. Watching guys who actually practice such nonsense pat themselves on the backs as the voices of reason is the icing on the cake.

The only reason this garbage is even worthy of discussion is because of all the death, persecution and turmoil that has come from religious zealots for centuries, continuing to this day. If it wasn't so dangerous it would be hilarious.

Truly, the host of intellectual and spiritual thinkers who have lived and written of their faith over the millennium cannot begin to compare to the power of Jake's mind when coupled with his google search finger.

Faith is a mystery. For example, it is a wonder that your mean spirited posts haven't brought down the wrath of God, and His Spirit move someone to ban you before now.

 

[muffler dragon]

jwins:

Just a word of caution: tekton (or tektonics) is rubbish. I wouldn't recommend relying on his information.

 

[MaxBuck]

 

[Gatorubet]

On my sports coat on the way to church



On my car's bumper on the way to church.

 

[Gatorubet]

That can be interpreted in so many ways, that your intent might be of use rather than just posting it - and yeah - I do that all the time, but in this case I think that the ways it could be taken range from "Believe, but honor your belief with God's gift of an honest, open and questioning spirit" to "Christians really are close minded idiots". "Thou shalt not suffer No-touch icing" is an alternate interpretation.

 

[jwinslow]

You can play source police, criticize me, and whatever else makes you feel better, but the bottom line is there is no evidence to support your god or your faith. Your religion is no different than the other 20 or so in the world today, and those that came before it. None have any tangible evidence to support their existence. All that has changed is the date on the calendar.

Meanwhile, you have not, and can not, provide a shred of evidence to justify your faith beyond the simple fact that you want to believe it.

Coming from the guy who brings up evidence and then refuses to acknowledge what that evidence actually says.

There isn't an argument in the world - on any subject - that can penetrate that level of self-absorption & stubbornness.

Maybe I'm wrong about God, it's possible, but you have apparently removed wrong from even existing.

One needn't waste time becoming an expert, in your eyes, in your silly religion when the book it is based on is littered with fantasies, contradictions, and actions by a "god" not worthy of anyone's worship.

How nice. You can't be bothered with understanding things outside your world view including Christianity, but you reserve the right to trash their religions and their ignorance to other religions. No risk of ever realizing you are wrong with that approach.

I find your religious dogma to be truly stunning and as hateful & intolerant as the religions you ridicule at every opportunity.

Just make sure to not get mixed up and type "democrat" during one of these rants. Lord knows they are pretty similar.

 

[jwinslow]

jwins:

Just a word of caution: tekton (or tektonics) is rubbish. I wouldn't recommend relying on his information.

Thanks for the heads up, I removed them. I went looking for some breakdowns to jog my memory and posted the first handful that looked ok, it's been awhile since I studied the subject.

 

[lvbuckeye]

You can play source police, criticize me, and whatever else makes you feel better, but the bottom line is there is no evidence to support your god or your faith.

"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Hebrews 11:1

my faith is my proof. QED.

/your argument.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Just make sure to not get mixed up and type "democrat" during one of these rants. Lord knows they are pretty similar.

He does, and I'll get involved! :tic:

 

[xcrunner]

You can play source police, criticize me, and whatever else makes you feel better, but the bottom line is there is no evidence to support your god or your faith. Your religion is no different than the other 20 or so in the world today, and those that came before it. None have any tangible evidence to support their existence. All that has changed is the date on the calendar.

One needn't waste time becoming an expert, in your eyes, in your silly religion when the book it is based on is littered with fantasies, contradictions, and actions by a "god" not worthy of anyone's worship. Meanwhile, you have not, and can not, provide a shred of evidence to justify your faith beyond the simple fact that you want to believe it.

Children want to believe in Santa Claus, but eventually they accept the fact that he exists only in their imagination. It's pretty sad watching adults cling to their own version of Santa Claus, talking to the air, giving credit to it when things go well, and dismissing pitfalls as not being part of "his" will, setting aside all rational thought in the process. Watching guys who actually practice such nonsense pat themselves on the backs as the voices of reason is the icing on the cake.

The only reason this garbage is even worthy of discussion is because of all the death, persecution and turmoil that has come from religious zealots for centuries, continuing to this day. If it wasn't so dangerous it would be hilarious.

Let's see, what's more likely--

1) You, Jake, are far more insightful than the host of Christians around the world, present and past. You have gleaned insight that eluded St. Augustine, St. Thomas Aquinas, Einstein, Isaac Newton, and many of the greatest thinkers and philosophers of all time. They were intelligent men, true--but for some reason they never thought of the arguments that you now present. They deluded themselves into stupidity, their philosophical writings meant nothing. Truly, Jake, you are a great man in the world--advanced thought, such as "There are hundreds of religions, all believing that the other religion is false--thus, all religion is false" was never thought of before you entered the scene. St. Augustine never considered such logic, for it was far too advanced for him. Or perhaps it was just that when he wrote City of God and Confessions his rationality escaped him, and an otherwise smart person abandoned his gift when he wrote some of the most insightful works of all time.

2) Your hubris exceeds your intelligence. You haven't bothered to understand what you insult, and won't bother to, because such ideas are beneath you.

 

[muffler dragon]

Einstein,

May I ask why you included Einstein in a discussion primarily Christian in background?