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I don't agree to being the ugly girl with big knockers in this scenario.jwinslow;1830636; said:
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What if you're just homely by comparison?
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NAZCARDAMUS;1830621; said:
I'm going to take a shot in the dark here and say you haven't studied statistical analysis. Interesting little book a prof told us to get first day of class entitled, "How to Lie With Statistics." I still have it and had my daughter read it before her first stats course. Many times with statistics the question becomes, "What do you WANT the numbers to say?"
For instance, you gave passing statistics for the QBs (attempts, completions, yards, td's, interceptions) and concluded Edge, AR. Based solely on those numbers, you can probably make a case that Mallett is better than Michael Vick. But what happens if you add in rushing yards? Rushing td's? Ability to convert on third down and 10+ yards to go? Does your analysis change?
I have not done the analysis so I do not have the empirical evidence to know for sure. What I have is anecdotal evidence, and based on that I believe the comparison will be much closer and possibly change the outcome completely.
There were similar holes in your other analysis. Not to say that the outcome of the analysis would change, but rather the evidence you are showing is rather superficial. So before you accuse us of being bad hosts, make sure that you have all (not some) of the facts to back up your arguments.
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NAZCARDAMUS
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Look..
...OSU fans, my complimenst to your team were and are sincere. They were not added to my original post to take away negativity from what you are calling selected stats. I only posted the stats I thought mattered, and in my opinion ARK comes out on top in those stats. If you take that as an insult then that's not my problem, I didn't make the stats. I know and we all know stats don't mean everything. I only went by stats because I don't follow your team. Everyone involved in college football knows how great OSU's D is and how great Pryor is. Stop acting like none of you have ever boasted about OSU's stats and performances. I didn't say one negative thing about your team and the positive things I have said I meant. We have a true test going up against OSU no doubting that. If you can't take a rival fans opinions and posting of statistical fact then don't read or respond. Only one of you has responded with any detailed information backing up why they don't agree with what I originally posted. You immediately assumed the compliments I made were fake, that's on you, not me. Simply put, imo, offensively ARK has the advantage. Defensively OSU has a major advantage which should make for a pretty even game. Be angry at the stats your own team put up instead of being mad at the person that posted the stats. If you don't feel my compliments of your team are legit then so be it, at least appreciate the fact that I recognize your teams ability. Everyone knows what OSU is and has been so for me to come on here and make fake compliments would be stupid. I posted stats and my opinions, disagree all you want, but stats don't lie. And not having watched your team the stats are all I have to go by. At least I went by something and didn't just guess. If this is suppossed to be a mature legitimate site about the buckeyes then show it. You don't agree with what I say then ok. But don't accuse me of fake compliments when the whole colleg FB world knows what OSU is about. If I had watched and kept up with your team all year then I would probably have more stuff to say about your team. But I only have stats to go by and imo, offensively ARK is better. Defensively, there is no match. Take it or leave it. But try posting something regarding your own opinions about the matchup and/or stats instead of blasting my so-called fake compliments.
...OSU fans, my complimenst to your team were and are sincere. They were not added to my original post to take away negativity from what you are calling selected stats. I only posted the stats I thought mattered, and in my opinion ARK comes out on top in those stats. If you take that as an insult then that's not my problem, I didn't make the stats. I know and we all know stats don't mean everything. I only went by stats because I don't follow your team. Everyone involved in college football knows how great OSU's D is and how great Pryor is. Stop acting like none of you have ever boasted about OSU's stats and performances. I didn't say one negative thing about your team and the positive things I have said I meant. We have a true test going up against OSU no doubting that. If you can't take a rival fans opinions and posting of statistical fact then don't read or respond. Only one of you has responded with any detailed information backing up why they don't agree with what I originally posted. You immediately assumed the compliments I made were fake, that's on you, not me. Simply put, imo, offensively ARK has the advantage. Defensively OSU has a major advantage which should make for a pretty even game. Be angry at the stats your own team put up instead of being mad at the person that posted the stats. If you don't feel my compliments of your team are legit then so be it, at least appreciate the fact that I recognize your teams ability. Everyone knows what OSU is and has been so for me to come on here and make fake compliments would be stupid. I posted stats and my opinions, disagree all you want, but stats don't lie. And not having watched your team the stats are all I have to go by. At least I went by something and didn't just guess. If this is suppossed to be a mature legitimate site about the buckeyes then show it. You don't agree with what I say then ok. But don't accuse me of fake compliments when the whole colleg FB world knows what OSU is about. If I had watched and kept up with your team all year then I would probably have more stuff to say about your team. But I only have stats to go by and imo, offensively ARK is better. Defensively, there is no match. Take it or leave it. But try posting something regarding your own opinions about the matchup and/or stats instead of blasting my so-called fake compliments.
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Regarding Ohio State's defense being able to stop Ryan Mallett....
The Buckeyes have already beaten Mallett once, in 2007. Mallett played sparingly in that game because Michigan's starting QB was Chad Henne, Michigan's all-time career leader in yards (9,715) and touchdown passes (87). Henne was taken in the second round of the 2008 NFL draft (57th overall).
Henne was throwing to two of the best wide receivers in Michigan's history, namely Mario Manningham (137 receptions, 2,310 yards, 27 TD's in three seasons) and Adrian Arrington (109 receptions, 1,438 yards, and 16 TD's in three seasons). Manningham was taken in the third round of the 2008 NFL draft (95th overall), and Arrington in the seventh (237th overall).
In addition, Michigan's starting running back was Mike Hart, who is the Wolverines' all-time leading rusher (5,040 yards, with 41 TD's). Hart was taken in the sixth round of the 2008 NFL draft (202nd overall).
But the best player on the Wolverines' offense was left tackle Jake Long, who was the first overall selection in the 2008 NFL draft.
Michigan's best offense ever? Quite possibly.
The result? Three points and 91 total yards.
So go ask Ryan Mallett what he thinks of Ohio State's defense....
The Buckeyes have already beaten Mallett once, in 2007. Mallett played sparingly in that game because Michigan's starting QB was Chad Henne, Michigan's all-time career leader in yards (9,715) and touchdown passes (87). Henne was taken in the second round of the 2008 NFL draft (57th overall).
Henne was throwing to two of the best wide receivers in Michigan's history, namely Mario Manningham (137 receptions, 2,310 yards, 27 TD's in three seasons) and Adrian Arrington (109 receptions, 1,438 yards, and 16 TD's in three seasons). Manningham was taken in the third round of the 2008 NFL draft (95th overall), and Arrington in the seventh (237th overall).
In addition, Michigan's starting running back was Mike Hart, who is the Wolverines' all-time leading rusher (5,040 yards, with 41 TD's). Hart was taken in the sixth round of the 2008 NFL draft (202nd overall).
But the best player on the Wolverines' offense was left tackle Jake Long, who was the first overall selection in the 2008 NFL draft.
Michigan's best offense ever? Quite possibly.
The result? Three points and 91 total yards.
So go ask Ryan Mallett what he thinks of Ohio State's defense....
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I'm not accusing you of anything. I'm reading your post verbatim.
When the sentence includes a shot at OSU as an opener, it's not much of a compliment
It was a throw-in after a long line of reasons OSU doesn't compare to Arkansas. I'm not claiming you didn't believe OSU had a defense. I'm claiming it's not much of a compliment when it is stated in such a backhanded way.
And therein lies the tone of your posts. You aren't just posting random stats, you're using them to show how OSU is wildly overmatched and laughing at some of the comparisons.
Which still doesn't make any sense. It isn't a Senior Bowl Skills Competition or a NFL Draft comparison.
Kniles Davis is a more dynamic back than Boom, but he's not rushing against Boom. He's rushing against the buckeye defense, and vice versa for Boom & Arkansas.
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Nice EnglishNAZCARDAMUS;1830591; said:
We lost, on the road, in one of college football's most hostile night-game environments, to the #4 team in the country. Our coverage team, which as a whole has been very poor most of the season, immediately put us in a 7-point hole on the opening kickoff. While Wiscy did take it to us in the first half, we rallied in the second half to pull within a FG at 21-18, only to fall short.
We had one really bad half all season. At least our defense didn't get ape-raped to the tune of 65 [censored]ing points like you did at Auburn. And we didn't lose at home to a 3-loss team.
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jimotis4heisman
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what do you hog fans see as your team weaknesses. if you were game planning against your own team how would you attack the hogs?
and same for the large group of ohio state fans, would you agree that we have a strong defensive line but not great depth? that rolle is a player but a tad undersized and teams can be effective running right at him. getting old homan in space can be his weakness. generally speaking we also have a depleted secondary and the safeties are relatively average with the substantial injuries we have back there. how this will be compounded by having a star on the field probably most of the game remains interesting to me. (star is our fifth db, typically played by hines or another big/physical db).
and same for the large group of ohio state fans, would you agree that we have a strong defensive line but not great depth? that rolle is a player but a tad undersized and teams can be effective running right at him. getting old homan in space can be his weakness. generally speaking we also have a depleted secondary and the safeties are relatively average with the substantial injuries we have back there. how this will be compounded by having a star on the field probably most of the game remains interesting to me. (star is our fifth db, typically played by hines or another big/physical db).
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Mrstickball
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Going off of the Ark-OSU stat comparisons, I don't get something:
Why are Arkansas fans saying that their passing attack is radically better when it should be? They threw the ball approximately 100 times more this year than OSU.
Likewise, we ran the ball 130 times more than they did during the year. The edges seem to cancel out each other: They have a better average on yards per attempt in the passing game, we have a better average on yards per attempt in the running game.
For both groups of fans, trying to argue that one team has a major advantage over the other shows a lot of bias for either team.
At any rate, I'm looking forward to the game. It'll be a tossup, to see who can win out: Arkasas' O or Ohio State's D.
Why are Arkansas fans saying that their passing attack is radically better when it should be? They threw the ball approximately 100 times more this year than OSU.
Likewise, we ran the ball 130 times more than they did during the year. The edges seem to cancel out each other: They have a better average on yards per attempt in the passing game, we have a better average on yards per attempt in the running game.
For both groups of fans, trying to argue that one team has a major advantage over the other shows a lot of bias for either team.
At any rate, I'm looking forward to the game. It'll be a tossup, to see who can win out: Arkasas' O or Ohio State's D.
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No I didnt become mildly likeable... and I resent the implication. :pjwinslow;1830636; said:
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I already posted this,
Carries by month:
42 in Sep ... 10.5 per game
87 in Oct ... 17.6 per game
63 in Nov ... 21.0 per game
Not only was there a bigger commitment to the running game, but Boom elevated his play in a way 99% of Buckeye nation didn't think he could. Boom has always been a 100% effort, blue collar back, but displayed limited vision and athleticism at the position. Out of nowhere, he found a huge jump in these characteristics and others and really reinvented himself as a player.
Early in the year (and last), he was a guy who probably should be limited to 12 touches per game, to stop stealing touches from dynamic youngsters like Jordan Hall or maybe Jaamal Berry.
By November, most of Buckeye nation had a lot of crow to eat.
but it apparently did not resonate, so let's try again.jwinslow;1830615; said:
Carries by month:
42 in Sep ... 10.5 per game
87 in Oct ... 17.6 per game
63 in Nov ... 21.0 per game
Not only was there a bigger commitment to the running game, but Boom elevated his play in a way 99% of Buckeye nation didn't think he could. Boom has always been a 100% effort, blue collar back, but displayed limited vision and athleticism at the position. Out of nowhere, he found a huge jump in these characteristics and others and really reinvented himself as a player.
Early in the year (and last), he was a guy who probably should be limited to 12 touches per game, to stop stealing touches from dynamic youngsters like Jordan Hall or maybe Jaamal Berry.
By November, most of Buckeye nation had a lot of crow to eat.
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NAZCARDAMUS
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LordJeffBuck;1830668; said:
Using Ryan Mallets performance in an '07 game? Man you are really reaching. And people on here are saying I'M being selective.
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jimotis4heisman;1830678; said:
Our weakness? Run defense by far. My second concern would be our kickoff return coverage. Also the left side of the O line seems to get the most pressure. Mainly because we have Love on the other side who is 1st team all SEC and will be a late first/early secound round pick.
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Ummm.. he was using much more than Mallet in that post. The implication being Mallet was not Henne. Mallett is better than Henne now (in my opinion), but he wasn't arguing Mallett was a factor in that Game and you know it.NAZCARDAMUS;1830697; said:
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