Game Thread Sugar Bowl: tOSU vs Arkansas, Tue, Jan 4th, 8:30 ET ESPN

[buck1973]

Long time Hog fan and supporter here. I'm just gonna shoot from the hip on this one. First off, I hope OSU(like the last 6 teams we played did)overlooks our rushing game.
Kniles Davis, in only 8 games, has 1,183 yds and 13 td's.
Dan Herron, during the whole season, has 1,068 yds and 15 td's.
Edge=(With Davis only playing 8 games)Hogs

If you're going to claim Davis only played in 8 games, you should probably remove the 121 yds and the td he racked up in the first four games from his season total.

 

[NAZCARDAMUS]

When your first post displays reasoning that the game shouldn't even be played, because of Arkansas' superiority; then you're definitely displaying arrogance (along with a number of other traits). It's the same trash we read on BP last year from Duck fans.

Wow, you OSU fans sure know how to welcome a fan of the competitor. I said nothing about the game shouldn't be played. I simply compared stats. If that upsets you then be upset at the stats, not me. Quick to point out "so-called" arrogance yet you neglected to mention and overlooked all of the positive things I said about your team. Go HOGS!

 

[osugrad21]

Wow, you OSU fans sure know how to welcome a fan of the competitor. I said nothing about the game shouldn't be played. I simply compared stats. If that upsets you then be upset at the stats, not me. Quick to point out "so-called" arrogance yet you neglected to mention and overlooked all of the positive things I said about your team. Go HOGS!

Your stats are selective like your compliments. No problem though. Just read the forum rules and know what we expect on this site.

 

[NAZCARDAMUS]

If you're going to claim Davis only played in 8 games, you should probably remove the 121 yds and the td he racked up in the first four games from his season total.

Sure, we don't count those because he was playing injured, but if it makes you feel better I'd be glad to change the stats.
Knile Davis 1,062 yards, 14 td's, average 6.6 yds
Dan Herron 1,068 yards, 15 td's, average 5.6 yds
Edge=Even

 

[jwinslow]

Since we are engaged in the popular but foolish comparison of offensive units facing off, osu has a big edge at the rb position with all four backs playing on ST coverage units this year (three as regulars). Osu also has a huge edge with pryor being far better at defending mallett than vice versa.

If you're going to claim Davis only played in 8 games, you should probably remove the 121 yds and the td he racked up in the first four games from his season total.

Or try learning about the team he is analyzing. Osu also had a dramatic shift in their offensive attack later in the season as they found their identity with boom (early on it was a bit unclear, though built more around the passing game)

 

[stowfan]

Have I missed the part where the Arkansas fans are talking trash or are some of our fans trolling them for the basic fun of it?

Get back to discussing the game and leave the trashtalk to other boards.

Almost all the Arkansas fans I've read posts from seem like a very classy group. I'm also wondering, why people are going out of their way to make our fan base look like a group of assholes and idiots. I would like to think of tOSU as winning with class, and losing with dignity, if things don't go our way.

 

[osugrad21]

Sure, we don't count those because he was playing injured, but if it makes you feel better I'd be glad to change the stats.
Knile Davis 1,062 yards, 14 td's, average 6.6 yds
Dan Herron 1,068 yards, 15 td's, average 5.6 yds
Edge=Even

:) If we are adding injuries into any statistical equation, your analysis is definitely skewed.

 

[muffler dragon]

Wow, you OSU fans sure know how to welcome a fan of the competitor. I said nothing about the game shouldn't be played. I simply compared stats. If that upsets you then be upset at the stats, not me. Quick to point out "so-called" arrogance yet you neglected to mention and overlooked all of the positive things I said about your team. Go HOGS!

We've had a good number of Hog fans who have started off much better in this forum than yourself.

Let's evaluate your post closer, huh?

Edge=(With Davis only playing 8 games)Hogs

While I've stated elsewhere that I find Knile Davis to be an impressive back who is fun to watch, it's foolish to determine running back strength by numbers alone.

And putting all your emphasis on our passing game won't help anyway. That's what every team did and we beat all of them but two. Both of which we had at least a 10 point lead on.
R. Mallet, 3,592 yds, 30 td's, 11 INT, rating=170.5
T. Pryor, 2,551 yds, 25 td's, 11 INT, rating=158.0
Edge=Hogs

There are abilities that both teams QBs have which are deficient on the part of the other. Yet, once again, your reliance on statitstics is your sole denomination. Myopic, to say the least.

Receiving matchup? Lol, it's not even a matchup. But I'll post just for the fun of it.
ARK, 277 catches for 4,061 yds, and 34 td's.
OSU, 214 catches for 2,750 yds, and 28 td's.

No arrogance in this statement at all, huh?

It's becoming evident you know nothing of the Buckeyes but figures.

I looked at the team to team stats of your loss to Wisconsin. Why you got beat? OSU had 5.6 yards per pass. WIS had 9.5 yards per pass. Also, you gave up 4.3 yards per rush to your 3.8. 3 of Wisconsin's 4 td's were rushing td's. Wisconsin kept you to 155 yards rushing that game.

We got beat for a number of reasons:

1) Spotted them 17 points before we got going.
2) Camp Randall is a tough enough place to play when we don't spot them points.
3) Wisconsin quite possibly has the best offensive line in all of CFB. Their d-line is no joke either.

Should I skim over your losses strictly by the statistics to determine your team's deficiencies?

Overview: OSU only played 3 top 25 teams all year, beating #12 Miami and #20 Iowa, and losing to #18 Wisconsin. OSU did not beat, let alone play anyone in the top 10 all season. ARK played 5 top 25 teams all season, losing to #1 ALA by 4 points and losing to #7 AUB. ARK beat #19 USC, #21 MISS ST, and #5 LSU. We beat the 5th ranked team in the country and you didn't even play anyone in the top 10 and you lost to #18.

S.O.S. like transitive effects mean next-to-nothing in bowl games. Just an FYI.

The only thing I see giving OSU an advantage is their defense, one of the best in the nation. Besides that, everything else leans in Arkansas' favor.

Interesting considering that a number of your brethren seemed to be concerned about Pryor and his scrambling ability. Furthermore, it's interesting to realize that you failed to mention that we put more points on the board on average this year than your team. Never let points get in the way of a good argument, huh?

If your D doesn't show up then it is going to be a long ride back to Ohio.

And what of your D? Do you ever evaluate them compared to other teams statistically? Or do you just meditate on the offense's greatness?

That being said I think it's gong to be an awesome game. OSU is one of the most dominant teams in college history and a top tier football program.

Your second postiive point about the Buckeyes. [sarcasm]I may pass out with ecstasy![/sarcasm]

I have read alot of garbage on other forums and most OSU fans are basically blowing this game off and already celebrating a win. Keep in mind, that's the same thing LSU did before they rolled into Little Rock.

Much like you have above?

Assume a win all you want. ARK has been tested harder than OSU. We are coming in with the 6th hardest schedule in the nation, 3rd in the nation in passing, a 10-2 record and we are still hyped up after beating #5 LSU. I see this game being an awesome battle. Two of the top passers in the game and two of the best offenses in the nation. This WILL be the bowl game of the year. Good luck to OSU, cheers to another great season, much respect, it's gonna be a great game and looking forward to playing the great OSU. And to those of you OSU fans already predicting a win; didn't you learn anything the last two times you predicted wins in the title games? I'll leave you and your team with one word: PREPARE

blah, blah, blah.

 

[NAZCARDAMUS]

Your stats are selective like your compliments. No problem though. Just read the forum rules and know what we expect on this site.

Typical, I don't know what I was thinking coming on here. Degrade my selections and compliments of your team and neglect to post any stats or compliments in return. Very classy. I've already stated more positive things about OSU than I have for my own team and yet I'm the one that's being selective? Bit of advice, not every hog fan that may come on here is doing it to start something. And not every hog fan that may come on here saying positive things about OSU isn't just saying them to cover up so-called selective stats in favor of ARK. If you can't take a compliment then don't be upset when you stop getting them. Every positive thing I said about your team has been overlooked. Best D in the country? One of the best QB's and best offenses in the nation? Remember? One of the top tier college football teams? None of that ring a bell? Funny how ppl focus on what they don't agree with and lose sight of compliments. Only thing is that you can't disagree with stats.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

If it's so bad here, there's the door.

 

[Buckeye86]

Typical, I don't know what I was thinking coming on here. Degrade my selections and compliments of your team and neglect to post any stats or compliments in return. Very classy. I've already stated more positive things about OSU than I have for my own team and yet I'm the one that's being selective? Bit of advice, not every hog fan that may come on here is doing it to start something. And not every hog fan that may come on here saying positive things about OSU isn't just saying them to cover up so-called selective stats in favor of ARK. If you can't take a compliment then don't be upset when you stop getting them. Every positive thing I said about your team has been overlooked. Best D in the country? One of the best QB's and best offenses in the nation? Remember? One of the top tier college football teams? None of that ring a bell? Funny how ppl focus on what they don't agree with and lose sight of compliments. Only thing is that you can't disagree with stats.

take a deep breath buddy, it's the internet, everything will be alright

 

[NAZCARDAMUS]

We've had a good number of Hog fans who have started off much better in this forum than yourself.

Let's evaluate your post closer, huh?



While I've stated elsewhere that I find Knile Davis to be an impressive back who is fun to watch, it's foolish to determine running back strength by numbers alone.



There are abilities that both teams QBs have which are deficient on the part of the other. Yet, once again, your reliance on sta[censored]tics is your sole denomination. Myopic, to say the least.



No arrogance in this statement at all, huh?

It's becoming evident you know nothing of the Buckeyes but figures.



We got beat for a number of reasons:

1) Spotted them 17 points before we got going.
2) Camp Randall is a tough enough place to play when we don't spot them points.
3) Wisconsin quite possibly has the best offensive line in all of CFB. Their d-line is no joke either.

Should I skim over your losses strictly by the statistics to determine your team's deficiencies?



S.O.S. like transitive effects mean next-to-nothing in bowl games. Just an FYI.



Interesting considering that a number of your brethren seemed to be concerned about Pryor and his scrambling ability. Furthermore, it's interesting to realize that you failed to mention that we put more points on the board on average this year than your team. Never let points get in the way of a good argument, huh?



And what of your D? Do you ever evaluate them compared to other teams statistically? Or do you just meditate on the offense's greatness?



Your second postiive point about the Buckeyes. [sarcasm]I may pass out with ecstasy![/sarcasm]



Much like you have above?



blah, blah, blah.

I see what you are saying. I don't keep up with OSU all year so that is why I was going off of stats only. I don't know what you all have changed or made better. Not saying what I originally posted is right, just my opinion. Regarding the points scored stat where you said OSU has outscored their opponents much more than ARK? The answer to that can be found in your strength of schedule. We put up higher passing #'s than OSU against better passing D and a tougher schedule, that says a lot. And yes, Pryor scrambling will be a problem for us, especially if our db's play man to man. Think pryor was OSU's 2nd leading rusher so yes that's gonna be a new problem for us. Only scrambler we faced all year was Newton and he pretty much burned us. I think our passing game is somewhat better and Davis has really came on strong late in the season. But the defense of OSU is far more superior than ours. I see the back of our play-book gettin some use against OSU.

 

[osugrad21]

Typical, I don't know what I was thinking coming on here. Degrade my selections and compliments of your team and neglect to post any stats or compliments in return. Very classy. I've already stated more positive things about OSU than I have for my own team and yet I'm the one that's being selective? Bit of advice, not every hog fan that may come on here is doing it to start something. And not every hog fan that may come on here saying positive things about OSU isn't just saying them to cover up so-called selective stats in favor of ARK. If you can't take a compliment then don't be upset when you stop getting them. Every positive thing I said about your team has been overlooked. Best D in the country? One of the best QB's and best offenses in the nation? Remember? One of the top tier college football teams? None of that ring a bell? Funny how ppl focus on what they don't agree with and lose sight of compliments. Only thing is that you can't disagree with stats.

Sorry man. Guess this site isn't for you. I will take your advice to heart though. Maybe one day, through intense study, I can learn this game of fooseball and be able to contribute to such a discussion. I've always wanted to be able to look at more than stats and see the actual strategy of fooseball and how various matchups affect outcomes.

Until then, please pardon my stupidity and thinly veiled facetiousness.

 

[utgrad73]

Only thing is that you can't disagree with stats.

Throw the stats out and PREPARE, becasue each team will be focused on taking out the other in the Sugar Bowl. Stats don't mean a thing until the game is over and Heyward sacks the Legend 3 times and the defense forces 10 three and outs and the Hog running game can only sputter. I'm not concerned with our team or fear the wrath of the SEC. Go Bucks!

 

[jwinslow]

Not arrogance, just enthusiasm and respectable trash talking, lol.

Dude, you conceded immediately afterwards that you were trash talking a bit.

And please stop singing your own praises for giving a select few backhanded compliments. Spending an entire post sarcastically referring to us and our team being overconfident, our units being overmatched at every offensive position...


and then squeezing in one mild compliment that one of the only things osu has going for it is the d, followed up immediately by reinforcement of how big of an exception that is to the rest of the matchups.

It is like telling a girl eighteen reasons you like another girl better... Pausing to say 'about the only thing I like are your amazing breasts'... Then reinforcing that the rest of her is second rate.

Then claiming she shouldn't get upset because of those isolated compliments.

The passive aggressive, antagonistic lines don't foster good debate either. lines like 'assume a win if you want' or 'i hope you overlook our running game' are simply instigating and are setting up strawmen (imaginary arguments) that don't exist. No one is saying those things. We don't want lemmings with identical viewpoints, we want civil debates about football with coherent and fact based arguments.


Argue your case. Say why you think Arkansas is better at these positions. We don't want you to agree with us, we want you to present your argument in a slightly different manner

note: that guy playing the violin above? He had one of the more antagonistic beginnings on this website out of any poster, and he came around to being a mildly likeable lawyer.