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LRABuck
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Lucas on Romance:
"I hopelessly, deeply, truly, religiously, painfully, excruciatingly, obsessively, compulsively, pointlessly, ignorantly, irrationally....**Checks Webster's Thesaurus**....incorrigibly, imperviously.... LOVE YOU."
Though I was a true SW geek as a teen, (*ahem*costumes*ahem*), I couldn't get over that. A cousin and I always make fun of that part in "Attack of the Clones".
I can probably still quote 80% of the original trilogy...i'm only a little ashamed to admit. :(
"I hopelessly, deeply, truly, religiously, painfully, excruciatingly, obsessively, compulsively, pointlessly, ignorantly, irrationally....**Checks Webster's Thesaurus**....incorrigibly, imperviously.... LOVE YOU."
Though I was a true SW geek as a teen, (*ahem*costumes*ahem*), I couldn't get over that. A cousin and I always make fun of that part in "Attack of the Clones".
I can probably still quote 80% of the original trilogy...i'm only a little ashamed to admit. :(
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Only a little???
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Do you have a quote of Spielberg saying this? It is my understanding that Lucas was hoping Spielberg would direct Return of the Jedi, but Spielberg refused because he didn't want to upset the Hollywood unions at the time. Although Lucas is a film maker, he is very anti-Hollywood, hence why the first movies were primarily filmed in England and the sequals have been primarily filmed in Australia. Back in the early 1980s Lucas had upset the Hollywood unions by not using union labor in his previous movies and Spielberg was afraid to have his name tied to Star Wars for this reason. If Spielberg wanted to direct a Star Wars movie now that is simply too bad...he doesn't deserve the right.tsteele316 said:
Personally, I think Lucas made the mistake of going back too far in the story. The important information in Episode I could have been told in about five minutes to the audience by an expository character. The trilogy would have been even better than it is if he had focused exclusively on the Clone Wars and Anakin's involvement and eventual fall. Then again, it is Lucas' story, so who am I to judge?
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tsteele316
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/2110630.stmbuckeyegrad said:
how dare spielberg try to cut into lucas' profit margins.
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Spielberg's story only makes sense if he was asking to actually make a Star Wars movie around 1987 (4 years after Return of the Jedit), not direct one for Lucas. I can't blame Lucas for not allowing anyone else to use his creation in this way...especially after Spielberg refused to direct Return of the Jedi because he was too Holywood to upset the unions 5-7 years prior. (The story about Lucas, Spielberg, and the unions is found it the book Skywalking: The Life and Films of George Lucas.)
Why should Lucas allow anyone else to use his material? First, why share such a lucrative franchise with others? And second, perhaps he knew he might want to make more Star Wars movies someday and didn't want anyone messing with the story line.
I can only answer this by what I have read. In Skywalking it talks about the burn-out Lucas was suffering from after Return of the Jedi. Lucas is guilty of micromanaging the Star Wars movies and as a result, they began to take a heavy toll on him (it was about this time I think he got divorced). He realized he needed a break from them even before the end of Return of the Jedi and therefore did not continue with the series. Ironically, this is how Luke and Leia ended up twins.
Skywalking claims Lucas always had the idea of Luke having a twin sister, but it was not originally Leia. Instead, in the movie we now know as Return of the Jedi, Luke was suppose to defeat Vader, but fall victim to the Dark Side and take his father's place at the Emporer's side. The next movies (who knows how many) would then have been about the search for the "other Skywalker", Luke leading the Empire, his sister being dicovered and confronting Luke, and Luke's redemption and the twins overthrowing Palpantine once and for all. Once Lucas knew RoTJ would be the last one of that series, he had to fix the problem of Yoda stating in Empire that there was another...he did this by making Leia the twin sister.
As for the current trilogy, Lucas stated back in the late 1990s when he was getting started with it that there would only be three because of the amount of time and energy required to make the movies--maybe he had learned his lesson from the first three. As he said then, he would be around 60 when the films were completed and he would be ready to explore some other ideas he has before it would be time for him to retire.
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Sloopy45
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Buckeyegrad: My response is going to be long-winded. Bear with me. Onto your comments: "If you are going to criticize the acting, take a look at the first three. Except for a few actors, most of the acting is sub-par."
The acting in the original Star Wars Trilogy may be sub-par, but the acting in the new movies is BAD! And, acting isn't the only aspect of a movie that makes it good or bad: there's dialogue, plot, intriguing characters, screenplay, etc. Most of which are awful in 'Clones.' Although Star Wars had 'sub-par' acting, as you say, it obviously excelled in many of the other areas, considering it is the biggest movie of all time.
"If you are going to criticize the scenes, well it is the exact same scenes from the first one being retold in different environments (chase through city=speeder bike chase; city bar=cantina; etc.)."
The scenes in the first triology broke ground: no one had ever seen them before. Its almost expected that each movie do something new and great, not re-hash old stuff, and that's why the new movies fall short. Star Wars was ground-breaking, Attack of the Clones broke wind.
"What is there left to criticize Episode II? I'm telling you, the movies have not changed, our perspectives have."
Wrong, A great movie is a great movie. Show a 12 year old (who has no interest in the new SW movies) Star Wars right now, and he'd love it. Most of the SW geeks nowadays are younger kids who love the old movies, not people like us who grew up with the movies when they were coming out. These new movies will never have a following like that ten years from now.
"the movie retains its mass appeal because of the story"
Mass appeal??? Its a Star Wars movie and was out of the theater in a month! That's unheard of!!
BG, know this: I am in no means a Star Wars geek, but I LOVE the old movies. I grew up with them, I've seen them 1,000 times, and it was my favorite toy as a child. These movies suck. Lucas is an awful director (Kershner and Marquand directed Empire and Jedi), and a worse writer (Lawrence Kasdan wrote Empire and Jedi). He has no business being the be-all, end-all in these movies.
And if you'd like to get into the inconsistencies in these movies compared with the back-references in the first three, I'm game for that too. How bout this one? In SW, "the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force." But yet, in these new movies (mostly b/c Lucas couldn't come up with anything else), some Jedi were surrounded and KILLED by an army of shitty robots?? Are you kidding me? That 'threat' should've been polished off in two seconds.
And 'Clones' also contains the worst line by far of any of the 5 movies so far: "Sand is coarse, and gets everywhere. Its not smooth like you."
The acting in the original Star Wars Trilogy may be sub-par, but the acting in the new movies is BAD! And, acting isn't the only aspect of a movie that makes it good or bad: there's dialogue, plot, intriguing characters, screenplay, etc. Most of which are awful in 'Clones.' Although Star Wars had 'sub-par' acting, as you say, it obviously excelled in many of the other areas, considering it is the biggest movie of all time.
"If you are going to criticize the scenes, well it is the exact same scenes from the first one being retold in different environments (chase through city=speeder bike chase; city bar=cantina; etc.)."
The scenes in the first triology broke ground: no one had ever seen them before. Its almost expected that each movie do something new and great, not re-hash old stuff, and that's why the new movies fall short. Star Wars was ground-breaking, Attack of the Clones broke wind.
"What is there left to criticize Episode II? I'm telling you, the movies have not changed, our perspectives have."
Wrong, A great movie is a great movie. Show a 12 year old (who has no interest in the new SW movies) Star Wars right now, and he'd love it. Most of the SW geeks nowadays are younger kids who love the old movies, not people like us who grew up with the movies when they were coming out. These new movies will never have a following like that ten years from now.
"the movie retains its mass appeal because of the story"
Mass appeal??? Its a Star Wars movie and was out of the theater in a month! That's unheard of!!
BG, know this: I am in no means a Star Wars geek, but I LOVE the old movies. I grew up with them, I've seen them 1,000 times, and it was my favorite toy as a child. These movies suck. Lucas is an awful director (Kershner and Marquand directed Empire and Jedi), and a worse writer (Lawrence Kasdan wrote Empire and Jedi). He has no business being the be-all, end-all in these movies.
And if you'd like to get into the inconsistencies in these movies compared with the back-references in the first three, I'm game for that too. How bout this one? In SW, "the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force." But yet, in these new movies (mostly b/c Lucas couldn't come up with anything else), some Jedi were surrounded and KILLED by an army of shitty robots?? Are you kidding me? That 'threat' should've been polished off in two seconds.
And 'Clones' also contains the worst line by far of any of the 5 movies so far: "Sand is coarse, and gets everywhere. Its not smooth like you."
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stxbuck
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As far as the movies go, Lucas was fairly limited by the licensed timeline. There are novels, comics,etc. going back hundreds of years before Star Wars, and stretching way beyond Jedi-Han and Leia's kids,etc. Lucas specifically reserved the Clone Wars period as his domain to complete the trilogy, or whatever. As far as the Luke goes to the darkside theme, DarkHorse Comics published a six issue special series in which Luke does exactly that. 3 of the novels are combined in two graphic novels, which are very interesting to say the least. I have the two novels, but the names escape me at this moment. I would recommend them to any serious Star Wars fan.buckeyegrad said:
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exhawg
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Kevin Smith better not get too busy. He has to write the script out of my book and make the movie. :p
The Clone Wars cartoons are pretty good so I'm sure I would watch a TV show based on Star Wars. This would be the time to put something like that on since there aren't going to be any Star Trek shows on for the first time since 87.
The Clone Wars cartoons are pretty good so I'm sure I would watch a TV show based on Star Wars. This would be the time to put something like that on since there aren't going to be any Star Trek shows on for the first time since 87.
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stxbuck said:
I have read most of these licensed stories, some of them very good (Zahn and Stackpole), some of them very poor (Anderson and Hambly), and they did not restrict Lucas in continuing the story after Return of the Jedi back in 1983. Besides Splinter of the Mind's Eye, these additional stories did not begin to come out until 1991. By that time, Lucas had decided that he would not continue the story forward through the media of film. However, even these stories are not considered "cannon" and Lucas has the right to ignore any storyline developed in them.
This being said, my guess is if the rumors are true for an animated or tv series, they will likely follow these licensed products since there would be no reason to recreate another story when one already exists.
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Sloopy45
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exhawg: "I just saw the trailer for the new movie for first time over the weekend and It looks promising. I think the movie is going to blow away the past 2."
Sorry my friend, you are wrong. I kust finished reading the novelization of Revenge of the Sith, and it sucks just as bad as the other two prequels, regardless of the fact that Darth Vader appears in the last three minutes of the movie.
Its stupid, tedious, illogical, creates even more inconsistencies with the original movies, and is almost aggravatingly (sp?) pointless. You'd almost be better off spending the $9, doing something else for two hours, and then popping in the theater for the final minute of the movie. Heed my warning, you heard it here first.
Sorry my friend, you are wrong. I kust finished reading the novelization of Revenge of the Sith, and it sucks just as bad as the other two prequels, regardless of the fact that Darth Vader appears in the last three minutes of the movie.
Its stupid, tedious, illogical, creates even more inconsistencies with the original movies, and is almost aggravatingly (sp?) pointless. You'd almost be better off spending the $9, doing something else for two hours, and then popping in the theater for the final minute of the movie. Heed my warning, you heard it here first.
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