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hmm... all the jedi are killed or run off and hide... amidala is ditched upon becoming pregnant... and we have to watch that wuss Hayden Christensen emerge victorious...

... fortunately we all remember that hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, as Amidala will birth Leia/Luke who eventually win.

At the end of this series, we will look back and realize that this was a giant disappointment. There were fun scenes and enjoyable cinematics, but they were horrible prequels to the 3 originals.
 
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buckeyegrad: "Attack of the Clones is entirely within the Star Wars genre...easily better than Return of the Jedi and on par with A New Hope."

Whoa! Pass me what you're smokin', BG. I suppose you rank Weekend at Bernie's 2 ahead of Dr. Zhivago in terms of great movies too, huh? (Speaking of which, what high paid studio exec came up with the great idea of making a SEQUEL to Weekend at Bernie's?? But anyway, I digress ..)

In Buckeye terms, saying that Attack of the Clones is better than Return of the Jedi, much less Star Wars itself is basically the equivalent of saying that Josh Jackson was a better placekicker than Mike Nugent.

I don't mean to offend you, but some of the statements you're making here are SO impossibly ridiculous that I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not: "maybe the special affects to a certain degree" ??? Star Wars IS the most ground-breaking, inflential, and spectacular special effects movie of ALL TIME! You think the special effects in those first three movies is average? Other than jumping off the screen and touching you, what more could you possibly expect from visual effects in a movie?
 
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buckeyegrad: "Attack of the Clones is entirely within the Star Wars genre...easily better than Return of the Jedi and on par with A New Hope."

Whoa! Pass me what you're smokin', BG. I suppose you rank Weekend at Bernie's 2 ahead of Dr. Zhivago in terms of great movies too, huh? (Speaking of which, what high paid studio exec came up with the great idea of making a SEQUEL to Weekend at Bernie's?? But anyway, I digress ..)

In Buckeye terms, saying that Attack of the Clones is better than Return of the Jedi, much less Star Wars itself is basically the equivalent of saying that Josh Jackson was a better placekicker than Mike Nugent.

I don't mean to offend you, but some of the statements you're making here are SO impossibly ridiculous that I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not: "maybe the special affects to a certain degree" ??? Star Wars IS the most ground-breaking, inflential, and spectacular special effects movie of ALL TIME! You think the special effects in those first three movies is average? Other than jumping off the screen and touching you, what more could you possibly expect from visual effects in a movie?
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I stand by my comments. If you disagree then state what is wrong with Episode II instead of just saying it sucks or it doesn't compare to the first trilogy. Exactly what are you comparing it to? If you are going to criticize the acting, take a look at the first three. Except for a few actors, most of the acting is sub-par. If you are going to criticize the scenes, well it is the exact same scenes from the first one being retold in different environments (chase through city=speeder bike chase; city bar=cantina; etc.). If you are going to criticize the story, then I don't understand why you were attracked to Star Wars in the first place because this is a classical, epic story being told in space. What is there left to criticize Episode II? I'm telling you, the movies have not changed, our perspectives have.

I think you took my comment about special effects wrong. I said that maybe they contribue to what makes Star Wars special (as opposed to acting and directing)...I was acknowledging how amazing the effects are in the movies. I know these movies were groundbreaking...I acknowledged such when I said nothing like them had been seen before. The special effects in the new moviews are still groundbreaking. Many disagree and complain about it, but they don't understand how Lucas is progressing the technology through CGI and digital filming. The special effects are amazing because so much of it goes unnoticed during the movie.

However, as attractive as the special effects are, the movie retains its mass appeal because of the story. It is the same story that has been told across all ages and cultures. I recommend The Hero with a Thousand Faces by Joseph Campbell for one perspective of how the arch-story of Star Wars is a reinterpretation of a timeless story.
 
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I love watching people argue over Star Wars.

It's like arguing which game is better, Dungeons and Dragons or Magic the Gathering.

I do know that buckeyegrad takes his Star Wars serious. bgrad only has two words to say when it comes to Star Wars:

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bgrad, no offense, but I completely disagree. The acting and writing of the prequels is positively HORRIBLE. That is not the case in the three existing movies. Yes, there are a couple of scenes that aren't the best, and in a stretch I'll grant you the "sub-par" acting you mentioned. But in the first two prequels, Hayden Christenson is probably the worst actor I have ever seen. Seriously. I'm not exaggerating. And as hot as she is, Amidala does a pretty sucky job as well. You cannot compare the acting of those two to anybody in the existing trilogy. That's the biggest difference to me. Additionally, the writing is horrible. The useless creation of Jar Jar Binks in Episode One was not only annoying, it was insulting. That character was a perfect example of Lucas trying too hard to make another groundbreaking special effects movie, as opposed to concentrating on the story he was attempting to tell.

I honestly believe that a differect actor playing Anakin Skywalker would have made both of the prequels much better movies. Watching him emotionlessly struggle through life and love was sickening and boring....in no way does he manage to portray his "fall" into evil, and his mindless love scenes with Amidala simply make me want to puke. A better actor in that role could easily have made the prequels twice as good.
 
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Bullet points:
- Jar Jar is the worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars
- Lucus can't write romance. How can no one see Anikan is going to be evil? Anikan: "I just killed ALL the sand people because they killed my mom."
Amidala: "Oh Ani that makes me so hot."
- For being the third or fourth most famous actor in any of the Star Wars movies Natalie Portman does a crappy job as Amidala. She is better in every other movie that I've seen her in.
- So far I think the plot of the new movies has been good, but the writing has been shit. Lucus should have hired a good writer to help him out.

All that said I still liked all the movies and can't wait for the new one.
 
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The story of Episode 1 is crucial, but the film itself is probably the worst of the lot ... had Lucas known how well received the TV stuff would be - he probably could have introduced a lot of that info via mini-series or animation. Lucas followed the same equation (when writing) for this film as the others: target young people and let their money carry you. The thing he overlooked is that those "young people" are now in their 20's and 30's and don't really care about talking fish or a new Chewbacca-type character.

Episode 2 is a good Star Wars movie, if you take nostalgia out of the equation - it is just as strong as Return of the Jedi.

Episode 3 will replace Empire as many people's favorite film (of the series) - it is dark, more mature (PG13), and is supposed to be a 2 hour fistfight.

To take this even further into geekdom: Who has all 40 of the new figures and the 3 exclusives?
 
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even liam neeson was quoted as saying it was impossible to act in the first movie because of the writing and the fact that absolutely everything was done in front of a blue screen.

lucas should have anted up and got spielberg back in the mix, or at least his mexican equivalent senior spielbergo.
 
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tsteele316 said:
even liam neeson was quoted as saying it was impossible to act in the first movie because of the writing and the fact that absolutely everything was done in front of a blue screen.

lucas should have anted up and got spielberg back in the mix, or at least his mexican equivalent senior spielbergo.
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I checked Spielberg's whole IMDB list and Star Wars wasn't mentioned. I thought that Star Wars was all Lucus. Spielberg is smart enough to let someone else write the movies for him.
 
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I checked Spielberg's whole IMDB list and Star Wars wasn't mentioned. I thought that Star Wars was all Lucus. Spielberg is smart enough to let someone else write the movies for him.
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that was phrased poorly. i meant to say in the mix, since spielberg has said he would like to direct a star wars movie but lucas just doesnt want him to. heaven forbid george forego a slight % of the profit he's making.
 
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