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Star Wars (May the Force be with you)

Would anyone else like to see Episode 1 reedited to make the Gungans (sp) less annoying? I watched it a couple months ago and kept thinking that making Jar Jar (and the rest of the Gungans) more of a bad ass would have make that movie much better. Anakin was pretty annoying as well but Jar Jar was by far the worst Star Wars character ever IMO.
 
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Sloopy45 said:
buckeyegrad: "Well, I don't how old you are Sloopy, but I was born in November of 1975, which means A New Hope came out when when I was 1.5 years old, Empire when I was 4, and Jedi when I was 7."

Wow. We're the same age then (I was born April 1975). You're the first person in our age range that I've ever met with a positive view of these prequels. In fact, you're the only late 20's person I ever met that doesn't HATE the prequels. That's where my inference about your age comes from.
March 1975 here... didn't get rid of all my Star Wars stuff til I was ready to go off to college and got a couple hundred bucks for some well used and beat up action figures and 2 X-Wings, 2 Tie Fighters, a Millenium Falcon and a Scout Walker... don't know why I just loved that Scout Walker.

I think the reason Jedi was the poorest of the original three was the main fact it followed Empire Strikes Back. That movie kicked so much ass that it was a hard act to follow (great point about acts in a play)

exhawg said:
Would anyone else like to see Episode 1 reedited to make the Gungans (sp) less annoying? I watched it a couple months ago and kept thinking that making Jar Jar (and the rest of the Gungans) more of a bad ass would have make that movie much better. Anakin was pretty annoying as well but Jar Jar was by far the worst Star Wars character ever IMO.
Great point... making the Gungans more like the underwater version of wookies might have saved some of that movie. But really it would also need a new actor as Anakin and not having his nickname as "Ani". Throw in a less whiny kid and give him more of a less cute edge and that might have saved the first one. Also they needed to deliver more on Darth Maul, giving him more screen time to develop him more and maybe saving his death til Episode II. After the movie I felt used that he was a shameless throw-in for advertising to give us a new Darth Vader bad guy to sell more toys.

I am sure though Sloopy will give you more depth about what was needed :)
 
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Zurp: "I guess I didn't read the entire thread to see what criticism it was receiving from other people."

Not so much from other people on this thread, but from phony movie critics & buckeyegrad, in particular. Return of the Jedi is a great movie, but its now diminished by those people in an attempt to bring the shitty prequels up to its level. There's no way any of these movies is in the same GALAXY (pun intended) as Jedi. Not even close.

exhawg: "Anakin was pretty annoying as well but Jar Jar was by far the worst Star Wars character ever IMO."

I actually like Jar-Jar for this reason, and this reason alone: while Darth Vader, Luke Skywalker, Chewbacca, etc. were the face of the previous trilogy, the colossal failure that is Jar-Jar Binks is the face of the current trilogy. Think about it: when you think of these movies, who's the first character to come to mind? B-I-N-G-O.

As far as worst characters, I can name a lot more in these movies that easily compare with Jar-Jar:

1. Watto: Is Lucas so out of touch with reality that he thought he could make a frugal (i.e. cheap), two-faced slave owner with a Jewish accent (obviously modeled the character on his perceptions of Jews) and not recieve any flack for it?

2. Boss Nass: the most fake looking CGI character of them all. I can draw a more realistic character with a box of crayolas. Also an example of how Lucas came up with the shitty Gungan dialect in about 2 seconds.

3. Anakin: I could never decide who's worse: young Anakin (Jake Lloyd), who can't act a lick, or 20-something Anakin who's entire time on screen is spent a.) whining like a bitch, or b.) attempting to give stupid love lines to Padme.

What's the worst Anakin line of these movies? (Discuss):

a.) "It'll bring you good fortune."

b.) "Don't worry, we have R2 with us."

c.) "Sand is coarse, and it gets everywhere. Its not smooth like you .."

I'm open to more suggestions on this.
 
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Sloopy45 said:
Zurp: "I guess I didn't read the entire thread to see what criticism it was receiving from other people."

Not so much from other people on this thread, but from phony movie critics & buckeyegrad, in particular.
Them's fightin' words!!

Can't wait to see buckeyegrad's response.

On a side note, I love watching a bunch of Science Fiction geeks argue the merits of a fictional movie like it actually happened.

Keep it up gentlemen, this is very good reading.
 
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Sloopy45 said:
Wow. We're the same age then (I was born April 1975). You're the first person in our age range that I've ever met with a positive view of these prequels. In fact, you're the only late 20's person I ever met that doesn't HATE the prequels. That's where my inference about your age comes from.
Well, Ebert's Fat Lip, an occassional lurker around here is in our age group and I know he doesn't hate the prequels. Also, go over to the www.theforce.net and you will find a lot of people in all age groups, including ours, who enjoy the prequels.

An idea that he has now recycled in 4 of the 6 movies. Can you (as an advocate of the Prequels & a Lucas mark), please explain to me how it takes 20 years to build the first Death Star, and takes 2 years to build the 2nd one?
Easily explained. The first Death Star is the original one, so you have a lot of time and resources focused on research and design that must be carried out by the engineers working on it. For example, the mechanical engineers may have designed the super-lazer by Episode III, but actually building one that operates correctly and efficiently, and then testing it, is very different and could take years in itself. By the time we get to the second Death Star, the R&D is cut way down because they already know how to build the working machine.

The second problem with the first Death Star is that the Emporer has to divert funds from other government sources without the Imperial Senate knowing. Considering the Death Star would require the complete mining of a small moon for its materials, it would not be an easy task to divert funds without someone in the government noticing. Obviously this could cause a lot of delays. During the construction of the second Death Star this problem does not exist. Palpantine could divert as much funding and resources into the Death Star as he desired since only the location of the project needed to be hidden from the government. In addition, although the second Death Star was larger than the first, I believe the RotJ book says it was only 60% complete in its structure.

Finally, we don't know when construction of the second Death Star was begun. It may have been immediatly after the Battle of Yavin IV, but the Emporer could have had plans for a second one before then. If we take the conservative approach and assume Palps began construction immediatley after Yavin IV, that gives the Empire 3.5-4 years (not 2) to have it built to the point where it is by the Battle of Endor.
 
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buckeyegrad said:
Easily explained. The first Death Star is the original one, so you have a lot of time and resources focused on research and design that must be carried out by the engineers working on it. For example, the mechanical engineers may have designed the super-lazer by Episode III, but actually building one that operates correctly and efficiently, and then testing it, is very different and could take years in itself. By the time we get to the second Death Star, the R&D is cut way down because they already know how to build the working machine.

The second problem with the first Death Star is that the Emporer has to divert funds from other government sources without the Imperial Senate knowing. Considering the Death Star would require the complete mining of a small moon for its materials, it would not be an easy task to divert funds without someone in the government noticing. Obviously this could cause a lot of delays. During the construction of the second Death Star this problem does not exist. Palpantine could divert as much funding and resources into the Death Star as he desired since only the location of the project needed to be hidden from the government. In addition, although the second Death Star was larger than the first, I believe the RotJ book says it was only 60% complete in its structure.

Finally, we don't know when construction of the second Death Star was begun. It may have been immediatly after the Battle of Yavin IV, but the Emporer could have had plans for a second one before then. If we take the conservative approach and assume Palps began construction immediatley after Yavin IV, that gives the Empire 3.5-4 years (not 2) to have it built to the point where it is by the Battle of Endor.
Now this is the kind of geeky material that makes for good reading.

Keep it up gentlemen.
 
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Thump: "Can't wait to see buckeyegrad's response."

No insult was intended for buckeyegrad. His opinion of Return of the Jedi has been noted.

"On a side note, I love watching a bunch of Science Fiction geeks argue the merits of a fictional movie like it actually happened."

I love watching a guy with 4,000 posts on a Internet Message board repeatedly checking a Star Wars thread and calling the people who post on it 'geeks.' Do you live in a glass house, BTW?
 
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Sloopy45 said:
I love watching a guy with 4,000 posts on a Internet Message board repeatedly checking a Star Wars thread and calling the people who post on it 'geeks.' Do you live in a glass house, BTW?
First off, I don't have 4000 posts, get it right.

Second, not everyone who posts on here are geeks, just a few of you. It's amazing how much you guys read into a movie and discuss the minutia of the Death Star and the like.

It's really fascinating. BTW, buckeyegrad is a close personal friend of mine so he knows where I stand on his Star Wars fascination.

I guess you guys just feed into the stereotype I have of people like the "Light Sabre Kid" that made its rounds on the internet last year.
 
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Thump: "Second, not everyone who posts on here are geeks, just a few of you. It's amazing how much you guys read into a movie and discuss the minutia of the Death Star and the like."

First off, I'm not a sci-fi geek. SW is the only such movie that I like. I never went to any conventions, don't collect the toys (or anything for that matter), don't read the books, and I've never worn a pair of Spock ears.

Second, I'm a huge fan of the old movies mostly because of my age: Star Wars was the biggest thing known to man as a kid. I had all the toys, Leia was my first crush, it was the first movie I ever owned (on Beta-max, no less), etc. I am, however, a movie freak, and I do hold a big attachment in my heart for these movies. A lot of childhood memories there.

Third, I am a highly successful man with a more active social life than anyone you know. For you to infer that I am a 'geek' because I like Star Wars is the same inference I would draw from you having 3,575 (rounded to 4,000) posts on a message board.
 
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Sloopy45 said:
I am a highly successful man with a more active social life than anyone you know.
This reminds me of the Simpsons:
"...and I'm a member of this club where if I eat 8 subs I get a free sub and there's that guy on TV who lost all that weight so now he's not ugly and fat he's just ugly..."
 
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Zurp said:
This reminds me of the Simpsons:
"...and I'm a member of this club where if I eat 8 subs I get a free sub and there's that guy on TV who lost all that weight so now he's not ugly and fat he's just ugly..."
I thought that maybe I was the only one that found that humorous.

Sloopy45 said:
Third, I am a highly successful man with a more active social life than anyone you know. For you to infer that I am a 'geek' because I like Star Wars is the same inference I would draw from you having 3,575 (rounded to 4,000) posts on a message board.
Congratulations, I am humbled by your level of success in your personal life.

Here's something for your accomplishments:

624351136
 
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